• Herman
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    13 hours ago

    Do communists call non communists communists? Do other ideologies try to claim their enemies are part of their own ideology? I think you’ll find it’s mostly centrist normies who call the far left fascists because they can’t tell the difference due to horseshoe theory

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      13 hours ago

      Liberals literally founded the United States and counted humans as “property.”

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        13 hours ago

        Will it be fair to judge you by future standards 200 years from now? Slavery was widespread and only began declining after Britain banned the trans Atlantic slave trade in the 1800’s.

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          "All men are created equal”?

          Ideals are easier to have than live. But Jesus Christ the brutality… There were abolitionists alongside them.

          Still. I’m glad the thread was posted. I don’t want to debate. A conversation maybe.

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            12 hours ago

            The original draft included criticism of the slave trade. The founders didn’t have a singular vision and those that owned slaves broadly speaking didn’t consider all people equal. There are certain moves afoot that, if they come to fruition may make us look like monsters for keeping Apes in zoos, eating them as bushmeat etc one day in the future https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_ape_personhood

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              If we were evolved enough to breathairianism, I’m down. And I eat meat. I think when we realize how abundant resources really are and hoarding isn’t a problem so we can equitably share, we could make real progress. Lady justice is depicted holding ⚖️, not weapons.

              ETA: I’d appreciate addressing my other points. My other thoughts are, if people don’t like gay or trans, women or people of color or other religions then don’t be that. Don’t like abortion, provide birth control and comprehensive sex ed etc.

              But I’m going offline for a while. Thanks for addressing what you did.