The problem of platforms when they become big. Just like cyber criminals lurk on systems used by the mass to exploit. Things can be used for good and for bad. And its often the small portion of bad that ruins it for large majority. Just like the few football hooligans that screw things up for the rest.
Bad intend or behavior is just hard to manage in a free online world. If Elon is hated then Adrian will take over…
I remember there was a time on the internet where “Don’t feed the trolls” and “True story, read it on the internet” was a thing. Would be nice if they were a thing again. Even in this thread, obvious trolls are being engaged and motivated to spew their filth.
The tragic irony of boomers is they told all their kids “don’t believe everything you read on the internet” and then failed to internalize the lesson for themselves.
This applies to any age group though so I don’t understand why you are pointing the finger in a particular direction. It’s not really helpful or insightful in the context of the thread.
Because they were the generation teaching the first group of kids growing up with the internet and they were actually very right to tell us that. Their role is unique. The generation matters. There’s your insight.
Well by that logic of age then gen X too. There’s a bit more insight for you.
No. Gen X weren’t parents until the internet was more or less in every household already and they aren’t as prone to misinformation as boomers (though certainly not immune).
This is how smaller communities die. They get infested with state actors and the paradigm shifts on some of the stupidest, dipshit topics.
You are literally reading EU state propaganda in this very post, an article by “kyivinsider” sourcing its information from “alliance4europe”, funded by the European Parliament and the Polish International Affairs ministry among others (according to its own website, feel free to check the link inside the article).
That doesn’t mean that it’s fake news or anything, the report is most likely true, just that it’s really ironic that we’re consuming state propaganda designed to make us worried about state propaganda from other “evil” countries (unlike our glorious EU parliament, not on a fascist downward spiral at all)
Big ones too. Case in point, USA.
I thought I was smelling some more of that over there lately.
Can they not just block these? I get that this is a never ending battle against troll farms and the like, but is BSky already falling to the “more engagement is better and we don’t care if it’s nefarious engagement” trap already?
There are many useful blocklists. But the average user isn’t informed enough to seek them.
I mean for the service to block them or eliminate the troll accounts. Not for the user to do so.
Gross
It’s an information war like Hilary Clinton said.
The link goes to a site created less than two months ago kyivinsider. The source is from Alliance4europe.This is part of the DISARM Foundation, also know for AMITT (Adversarial Misinformation and Influence Tactics and Techniques) framework.
That one belongs to the Credibility Coalition, and that one to Meedan. A San Francisco based organization funded by the US National Science Foundation and many organizations like Meta, Amazon, etc.
The Russians are amateurs at propaganda in comparison to the US.
Propagandan is one of Kremlin’s biggest tools, and it has been since the wall went up and it certainly never stopped when it came down.
Over time it has become the cheapest way for them for sow discord and infighting between their adversaries. Moving it online made it even cheaper and they’ve been at it hard the past decade or two.
Obviously the US have their own operations, but your point is not correct in any way. Look at what they’ve accomplished. The world is in chaos and they’re largely responsible for a lot or even most of it, depending on how you look at the big picture.
I didn’t express that last part correctly. I meant that it was probably a single guy making those bots. A lot more effective that multiple funders, agencies, organizations and private companies working on “democracy” and “transparency”.
As for the fault. The trouble started with a coup in 2014. Then internal conflict and then Russia entered differently with war. At every step of the conflict you have the US behind. The coup to put a US puppet, arming them, blowing up Russian infrastructure, and using other countries to block Russian gas in favor of more expensive American gas. Russia has made clear they don’t tolerate NATO in Ukraine. It is as logical as Russia putting military bases in Canada or Mexico.
I love how this post makes a bunch of claims, and yet provides zero sources, and thus, has absolutely zero value.
It’s digital noise, spam at best, evil misinformation at worst.
It took time to look that up. The link doesn’t even have an about page. And an IP search shows it is a new site. From there the actual source site (German) you follow back the about pages back to the original sources. There is no need to for a bunch of links. Anyone can verify.
The fucking Russian shills cried on Reddit resulting in permanent bans. They will be here soon enough.
Idiots don’t fact-check, and now we all pay the price. We can leave Twitter, Bluesky, Reddit, whatever—but nothing can stops them anymore.
Keep in mind that state propaganda doesn’t equate misinformation. This very article is western state propaganda (“kyivinsider” using “alliance4europe” as a source for the article), and the report is most likely true. You don’t need to strictly lie or misinform to create state propaganda, you just need to propagate your talking points and direct the public discourse to given topics. We’re very concerned about Russian propaganda (and rightfully so) but, fuck, we’ve been literally supporting a genocide and all the state propaganda from our own western countries was directing ourselves in other direction, maybe we should worry about that too. We’re literally consuming state propaganda right now in this article.
I don’t support Ukraine
the us knew what it was doing and ukraine has learned a hard lesson about having america as an ally. i didn’t know how aggressively hivemind it was around here, its a little more like reddit than one would hope… 90 downvotes, that’s like half the community :p give or take a few bots, i’m sure.
I think people downvote quite more readily to show disagreement here, not in the least because downvoted comments don’t get buried.
And, like, seriously. If you can’t even muster thoughts and prayers, if you can’t even muster being indifferent, can’t muster simply not leaving a comment at all, but have to shout your disapproval of Ukraine existing as a sovereign state from the rooftops, you’re an asshole. Unambiguously.
In this case, probably an attention troll.
who wants thoughts and prayers… you want people to observe some fake decorum and misrepresent themselves? are you familiar with nato and previous declarations that russia laid out time and again was a red line not to cross with regard to expansion into ukraine?
Ukraine didn’t even want to join NATO. Before the invasion, that is. Also Russia doesn’t get to tell other countries which alliances it can and cannot join, what are you, an imperialist or something?
sorry if the truth conflicts with your ‘reality’
What ‘reality’?
Ukraine’s intention to join NATO and create a hostile state bordering Russia is what triggered this.
I’m sure Russia will happily send you to the front comrade.
Used to dream of that when I was a kid. Glory to the motherland and all. But now - Russia is like a little us clone.
I too love genocidal regimes and war crimes. Can’t get enough of that mass slaughter of civilians and kidnapping of children.
so you were gonna vote for kamala and the continuation of genocide in gaza, yeah?
I voted for Kamala to prevent my own gay daughter from being part of Trump’s genocide. Sorry, I care about my daughter more than anyone else in this world and I am going to do what is best for her. Which is why we fled the U.S. when Trump won.
But let me guess- I should care about people other than my daughter first. And also, queer people aren’t in any danger under Trump.
Honestly, props to you for fleeing the US while you could, the genocidal empire is on a spiral to fascism. May I ask where you’ve decided to move?
The UK. I am a dual national.
Welp, here’s hoping that western Europe doesn’t end up going in the same direction. I’m western European myself and I’m fucking afraid of the fascist spiral we’re seeing here too.
wow, i didn’t know your own gay daughter was going to be genocided by trump. you realize the democrats would’ve had a much better chance to win and prevent his second term if they weren’t helping israel with their extermination campaign. – you know the one that is real and actually happened (is happening)
Called it. There’s only one genocide that matters and it only matters because Palestinians can be used as a pawn in internet argument.
Fuck queer people as usual.
By the way, there are queer Palestinians, many in the U.S. I want you to find one and tell them that they have nothing to be worried about. Not that you will since you’ve already decided fuck them.
U banned me in another sub already. Because apparently you are from Israel. Are u adminning this sub too?
this place feels more like reddit everyday… western colonial echo chamber masquerading as ‘the good guys’ (referring to your downvotes i mean)
Let me guess- you think I think I’m one of the good guys.
But there are no good guys. Humans are selfish assholes. All of them. Unless you want to argue that you are one of the good guys.
Bet you think I’m lying about not being an Israeli too.
I was born in the U.S. and live in the U.K. But nice try.
Don’t have to try Squidward , it’s a reality. U are genocide supporter.
Answer this question - should Palestinians have rights and not be bombed indiscriminately?
Of course they should. That’s why I spend hours every week contacting politicians to stop this genocide.
What have you done about it?
Kidnapping? Palestinians dream someone kidnap their kids like that - got them away from warzone with food and shelter.
For those who are NOT this person:
During the Russo-Ukrainian War,[3] Russia has forcibly transferred almost 20 thousand Ukrainian children to areas under its control, assigned them Russian citizenship, forcibly adopted them into Russian families, and created obstacles for their reunification with their parents and homeland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
Wikipedia, according to itself, isn’t a reliable source when it comes to such internationally hot topics. It’s primarily written by western young men who are mostly exposed exclusively to western media, and the articles they write are referenced by this same media. If you wanna read a bit more on this, I did a writeup some weeks ago about this very topic, sourcing my information from wikipedia itself.
With this I don’t mean to say that the accusations you’re showing are false, I honestly don’t have enough information to confirm or deny it, but in times of war information is a powerful tool and media from both sides won’t doubt to distort information to benefit their own countries.
They literally cite their sources. They always cite their sources. Just dismissing it as “Wikipedia is written by Westerners” pretends that isn’t true. And I know you’re not that stupid.
Could you please do me the favour and read my writeup before responding like that? I addressed what you’re saying.
Wikipedia itself has an article on its own bias, and an article on which sources the wiki editors consider reliable. Feel free to read my writeup for extended info on that.
Is your writeup about that specific article? Because if not, it’s irrelevant. You can judge whether the source is reliable by going there, which you are apparently unwilling to do because you’ve already decided it’s too biased.
Also, there are Wikipedia editors from all over the world. I think you know that too.
Seems like your real problem is they’re being big meanies to Russia which only has the best intentions for Ukrainians and would never commit any war crimes.
Hey when you’re done with that strawman can I borrow it? I gotta scare some birds
U can have it bro.
Russian behavior in Ukraine is actually very nice. They see Ukrainian like own people.Israel on the on the other hand just genociding
Russian behaviour in Ukraine is actually very nice? Is that how you describe bombing schools and playgrounds and terrorizing cities? Invading a neighbouring is actually very nice? Kidnapping and raping, castration are all very nice? Israel genocide is true, but russia isn’t better. Please look at other news sources. Get off Twitter, don’t watch fox.
Yeah Lemmy too.
(edit: as in spreads to Lemmy too based on the brainrot I replied to)
And blocked.
Hey Ivan, the Russian infantry is looking for volunteers. Don’t worry the NATO tungsten will be greet your worthless ass. Take the MAGAts with you!
“Russian influence operations” is a pompous way of saying that social media communities are big villages, and village culture gossip and bullshit and ape dynamics work there just as well.
Those “operations” are not significantly more complex than “bank support” calling you and saying you’ve got to tell them the 2fa code, or you lose all your money.
BTW, if something works well, it shouldn’t be more complex. Just those people who designed social media to be vulnerable to such attacks - they should understand that social backdoors are just as universal as technical backdoors.
It’s always been there, it’s easier to moderate them out than it is on the alternatives. Would rather still be on bsky/mastodon than whatever the fuck.
Ukrainian source. There is Ukrainian/western warmongering/self diminishing/impoverishing disinformation/narratives, including Ukrainian propaganda reposted verbatim such as this article. All counter narratives are labelled pro-Russian disinformation. Very common on all social media.
I have no idea whether there are some bot accounts on Bluesky, but it would be “not good” if Bluesky’s bans are exclusively against anti-warmongering bots, to promote the Ukrainian/NATO bots/content, which on other social media, have deeply funded “SEO scoring” already.
bluesky itself is russian psy op
This is where it all ends. “Everything I don’t like is Russia/China/Iran”.
Nothing evaluated on its merits. Nobody with a view different from mine is real. Evil Foreigners is the explanation for every bad take and un-pc post. Americans are only ever loyal patriots, villainous traitors, or useful idiots.
That’s how you know you’ve made it in social media
“Being infiltrated by Russian bots” is the new “being bought out by Big Tech”, I guess
Man, there’s like no day I don’t see another high quality version of this meme on Lemmy.
How many different upscaled versions do you people have exactly?
This is fuckin’ special, background cut out 16k ultra HD
I have another that I ran through a 16x upscaling model but nothing has called for a 12k x 10k pikachu yet
What about vector pikachu?
yet…
