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    donald trump gets 10 warnings for intimidating witnesses and indefinite trial postponement for hoarding and most likely leaking classified documents. Sweet sweet justice.

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      For the record, Aaron Swartz never actually went to trial, nor was he “sentenced” to anything.

      Federal prosecutors came after him with overzealous charges in an effort to make him accept a plea deal (they do that a lot), which he rejected. It would have gone to court where the feds would have had to justify the charges they were bringing.

      But that never happened because he killed himself.

      We don’t actually know how this all would have played out.

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        The comment in OPs post is misleading but he did nevertheless kill himself because of the justice system trying to prosecute him for accessing science most likely funded by public money in the first place.

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      donald tr*mp gets 10 warnings for intimidating witnesses and indefinite trial postponement for hoarding and most likely leaking classified documents. Sweet sweet justice.

      Why are you censoring Donald Trump’s name? Is it a swear word now in your country?

      We’re big girls here, we can take a little rude language, don’t worry :)

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        I don’t know why but i just didn’t want to type that slur. It’s edited now.

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    Look, the kid was a hero, but this is also patently false.

    He was not sentenced to 35 years. The trial hadn’t started. 35 years was the maximum possible sentence. He was given a plea deal for 6 months that he rejected.

    We don’t need to spin lies to make his story more tragic than it already is.

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      35 years max, plea for 1/2 that was rejected. He was going to get the book thrown at him to make an example. 5 years minimum but I wouldn’t doubt 10-20.

      The rapist traitor that headed a insurrection on Jan 6 2021 has never spent a day in jail and is still the frontrunner for president to be legally elected in 2024.

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        still the frontrunner for president to be legally elected in 2024.

        The front runner? Really?

        I’m not being sarcastic. Im genuinely interested, but can’t be arsed to start going through polls because it’d mean going through the biases of the pollers.

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            it’s not really.that close.whem you compare it to 2016/2020

            Trump underpolls significantly,.by 5-8%, and did for both 2016 and 2020.

            Bidens hasn’t led trump in polling in 500 days

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              You’re wrong about a lot and you’re presenting your opinions as fact. Trump doesn’t underpoll by that amount now.

              There was a phenomenon in 2016 where people were reluctant to tell pollsters they were voting for him, because they were embarrassed. Now Trump supporters are the loud minority of voters. And Biden is the boring safe choice. Biden voters are less likely to stay on the phone and answer questions.

              Also, national polls mean very little. You have to actually look at the swing state polls to find out who’s winning. And there’s not much data this far from the election.

              Finally, we can tell there’s something wrong with current polling just because “Mr. Brainworms” RFK Jr polls around 10% right now. No one is going to vote for him, and definitely not 10% of the population. People are just fucking with the pollsters right now. Do you know anyone seriously considering voting for RFK Jr?

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                You can project whatever narrative you want into the data but what is I’m saying is fundamentally the case.

                Trump outperforms his polling. He did so in 2016 by a wide margin, and he did so again in 2020. You can just go look at the week prior polling. This isn’t some grandiose fiction it’s a statement of fact, that you seem to be ignorant to.

                Your interest in a particular narrative doesn’t change what is. What matters is that Biden needs around an 8% lead on Trump nationally to be secure, and has been trailing, basically the entire time.

                If the election were tomorrow, and we believe the offsets observed in the two previous national elections, and we should because those were real events made from real data, then Biden would lose in a landslide today.

                Because I can’t stand all of your group think naivete:

                I went and pulled the 2020 data. The above is the relative error in polling from polls during the months of October and November 2020, calculated against the real votes cast in 2020. Biden underperforms his polling by about 4% and Trump overperforms his polling by about 8%. You can argue with why this is the case, but you can-not pretend that this isn’t the case. You should be adjusting how you see polls with this in mind. When you see Biden trailing Trump in national polling (and he has been for 400 days in a row), you should see that as a CLEAR Trump lead considering that Trump CONSISTENTLY overperforms on election day relative to his polling.

                Sources: https://dataverse.harvard.edu/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=doi:10.7910/DVN/42MVDX

                https://electionlab.mit.edu/data

                https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/data/president_polls_historical.csv

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                  You didn’t answer the question:

                  Do you know anyone who is voting for RFK Jr? He is polling at 10% right now, so if it’s real then statistically you should know someone.

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              Maybe. Maybe not. Pollsters typically adjust methodology between elections so this type of analysis is questionable.

              He hasn’t led in the average but is currently within the margin of error. The available evidence suggests a toss up but we won’t know for sure until after the election, as always.

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                I mean…

                No. It’s not margin of error right now. It’s a clear Trump W. Not once you account for Trump’s consistent over performance and Bidens consistent underperformance relative to polling aggregates. Everyone with eyes has been seeing it for better than a year.

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                  Consistent in two elections? That’s not consistent. That’s not even data, let alone a trend.

                  As I said, pollsters adjust the demographic weighting based on election results. It is possible they will again underestimate Trump’s performance. It’s also possible they will overestimate it. Only time will tell.

                  But regardless of that issue, it is within the margin of error—that is a statistical reality irrelevant to your speculation about polling errors.

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          Just remember polls gave Hillary almost a guaranteed win. For all intents and purposes, Trump is the front runner regardless of what any polling says

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            No, they did not. That’s not what happened.

            Polling probably has taken a dive in accuracy since then, though. Uptake in cell phone use in younger generations has been lingering over the industry for a long time, and it’s finally caught up with them.

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              https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

              72% chance from here. Probably high enough that swing state voters opted to stay home. This was the vibe practically all October. The FBI felt confident enough in her win to announce they were investigating her to appear unbiased.

              Polling being inaccurate for whatever reason doesn’t change the article after article assuring everyone Hillary had it in the bag.

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                72% chance means Trump needed to flip two coins and have them both come up heads. It’s not that ridiculous.

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          From the nearly all the polls I see, yes. But like you said, bias of pollers. I’ve seen a few that go more in depth to try and figure out the “responds to polls” bias, but I still only see biden ahead by a margin. With those small numbers of concentrated effort vs the wide reach general polls, trump is. It does not instill any level of confidence in me that the “general” polls don’t reflect the “general” voting bias. Even without all of this analysis, just a few million voting for trump is unbelievably concerning to not just the future of the US, but the world that this single country dominates. These fascists are campaigning on the cut your nose to spite your face philosophy.

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    If I remember correctly, it wasn’t even illegal since these scientific articles should have been public to begin with because they used public funds.

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    Shout out to Alexandra elbakyan. She continues part of aaron’s work by running sci-hub and libgen, but lives safely out of reach of the american criminal “justice” system 💔

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    He didn’t even share them as far as I know, he just downloaded them. And the trial hadn’t started yet when he committed suicide.

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      He didn’t get the chance to share them because he was caught downloading them, and his download requests were getting blocked.

      And to be clear, he wasn’t downloading from the Internet as one might download a car, he went into a restricted networking closet and connected directly to the switch, leaving a computer sitting there sending access requests. He had to keep going back to it to check on the progress, which is when they caught him.

      And the trial hadn’t started yet when he committed suicide.

      Yeah, I agree with the sentiment of the post, but this is just wildly misleading. He was not sentenced to anything, he committed suicide before the trial.

      He was given a plea deal for 6 months that he rejected, in an effort to make the feds justify the ludicrous charges they were pressing. Had it gone to trial, he certainly wouldn’t have been found not guilty, but it’s unlikely many of those charges would have stuck. It’s extremely unlikely he would actually have served 35 years.

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      It’s also likely that he was never intending to share them. One of the things he was looking to do is aquire a large dataset to analyze trends.

      In other words, he was charged for entirely legit use.

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        I recon he was looking for a specific trend the us government really didn’t want him to prove they had been forcing.

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      He likely wouldn’t’ve stayed. We’d be better off with him anyways. He was moving towards activism and politics. He’d probably either be a prisoner or a congressman by now. And like honestly, we could use a congressman like him.

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    I highly recommend watching the documentary on him, Internet’s own boy.

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    He’s probably rolling in his grave at the enshittification of reddit now too

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      Well killing oneself is always one’s own choice, but it’s terrible that he was given such a ridiculous sentence for no more than a copyright issue. Not even sure if he made money on the material, but even if he did he should have gotten maybe a fine, and imprisonment is just insane.

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    There’s a reason the EU doesn’t extradite their citizens to the US: the justice system is considered inhumane.

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    Frankly, I don’t think that was enough to make Aaron commit suicide. However, having close relations like Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian completely turn sour and blame him probably did, and I’m akin to believe they know what they did given how hard they doubled down on “well, Aaron really wasn’t that great of a guy” narrative.