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Trump says that the future of a man resident in the US, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, is not up to the US.
Trump also says that the future of Greenland is not up to Greenland but up to US.
What the fuck – how can the US demand an actual country from a country and not a resident from a country ?
If there was an honest to God legal way they’d already have figured it out along with everything else in Project 2025, long before coming into office.
They’re trying to find out a better loophole than the last one, which blew up in their face. And trying to find ways to remove the people in the way of said loopholes.
They don’t plan.
Planning would entail following the law, customs, and procedures.
If they just steamroll everyone with bullshit and make it up as they go then everyone else is scrambling to sort out wtf they are doing and figure out what rules were broken.
Germany 1933-45. Right out of the book.
That is a ban from feddit.org
Which simply shows how far abuse of moderator power goes.
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Are you intentionally trying to appear stupid? Don’t come here linking discussions on completely unrelated topics.
I did not post that moderator log.
I was responding to someone else I believe
Sorry, i understand but I needed to reach him. I was afraid that he would ignore my DMs. That’s how i moderate on jlai.lu and PieFed.
It’s not that i can delete or ban him. That’s not my way. I’m drafting some ideas so maybe we will create new tool for the fediverse. :)
Isn’t those the numbers on the hats?
Plenty of European countries try to do this also
Which ones?
I don’t see anywhere in here about stripping people of citizenship.
Germany is deporting EU citizens from Germany illegally for protesting against the genocide.
So?
So that’s the Nazi comparison part.
Nothing says they wont be stripping people of citizenship.
I know EU countries, including my own have been doing that for decades.But I think shipping them off to an even horrible jail is the worse part here.
I feel you bud, it is really hard to be that ignorant and stupid
They kidnapped a tattoo artist so that anyone innocent will be taken tattooed and turned into a criminal looking person.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?.. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation… We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
Jordan Peterson constantly quotes Solzhenitsyn warning of what the Liberal party would do to canada or the democrats would do to the usa. He would then promote a tool like polievre or an overt fascist orangeman without any irony at all. Today he seems to be confused about what fascism is and has oftentimes waffles between endorsing them or trying to avoid discussing them, like a true intellectual coward who was wrong about everything he ever said
He’s not confused about what fascism is, he knows and he wants it. Just like any fascist, you can’t take what he says at face value, it’s all trolling games like the Sartre quote.
With Peterson, he did make himself sick with that “carnivore” diet. He’s been huffing his own fumes so long that I think it’s fucked with his cognitive abilities.
I’ve listened to his class lectures - I do not understand how he earned a doctorate, and I do not understand why anyone taken the shit that comes out of his mouth seriously. It’s just misinterpreted Jung with some Manichean/Christian influence.
No he got sick from having a paradoxical reaction to benzos and then trying to quit them by going into a medically induced coma in Russia where I GUARANTEE YOU the fsb undoubtedly took blackmail video of him cheating on his wife. His wife had terminal kidney cancer but then miraculously recovered as well while on the carnivore diet so I doubt it is all that harmful.
I heard Peterson described as Joe Rogan with an education and vocabulary, who occasionally has a cry lol
For sure, he wasn’t the smartest to begin with and he’s gone downhill. Even so, he’s not so dumb that he doesn’t know what he wants is to subjugate women and non-whites, and he will say whatever he thinks will make that happen regardless of whether he believes it or it even sounds plausible.
That’s it exactly. JBP, JD Vance, etc., play word games of rhetoric to get what they want. It’s like they are defence lawyers and morality is a legal system they are trying to game - they argue whatever just to win.
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El Salvador shouldn’t take immigrants from a banana republic
Buy a gun and fight for your life or you’ll die in prison.
If it comes down to that, we’ve already lost.
Right now, I’d advise people to do as much outreach as possible to people you know. If you’re on commercial social media, post a screenshot, put the link in a comment. Send a DM. Put up stickers.
Building the level of support that would be necessary to win a revolution likely makes nonviolent paths such as impeachment possible.
The guns are to prevent violent suppression of that public support. Not as a first choice.
“We’ve tried nothing and…”
I’m not exactly the most active person. Not been to protests here in Canada but I do vote and all that. But ya know what I don’t do? I don’t actively discourage people from protecting themselves.
You have already lost. The question is whether or not you’re willing to fight back and win in round two.
Put up stickers
Fuckin Americans LOL.When the best places to spread the message of Resistance, like Reddit, have decided to actively comply and collude with the Nazis, we have to rely on other means to spread the message and give hope to those who think they are alone. Seeing stickers on poles and walls and bumpers as the go through their day, lets them know that there are others out there who are of the same mind.
Its not the only weapon, obviously, nobody expects the war to be won with stickers alone, but it’s one piece of the puzzle that has a real effect. Propaganda is powerful, which is why the Reoublicans actively built the Conservative Propaganda Machine, which now fully controls the political messaging in America, as the Dems stood by, smugly scoffing, and totally neglecting their chance to answer it. Now they are 30 years behind in that game, and still haven’t even started to conceptualize a strategy to confront it.
Reddit, like any and all media media, has been controlled by your regime since 2016 when it grew exponentially and became too important.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/jessica-ashooh-reddit-national-security-state-plant/277639/
If it comes down to that
another move of the goal post
It’s not about winning. It’s about resisting. You don’t only resist when you have good odds of winning. The people that fought the Warsaw ghetto uprising knew they would die. It is better to die taking down a few Nazis then to die on their terms.
TLDR: Get a gun. Fuck ICE. They’re Nazis.
The guns are to prevent violent suppression of that public support.
That’s one part of it, but also people should be defending themselves and their communities from ICE and one way to do that is guns. When an ICE agent is arresting your neighbor the correct option isn’t to preach nonviolence, but to pull the damn trigger.
In practice, what I’ve seen people do is to use large crowds. I haven’t yet seen any overt use of guns for that kind of defense.
This is great when it works and you have the numbers. But long term that is not a solution and not a solution all the time. A gun is a solution at all times. Get one before they don’t let you.
If they are coming for you it’s not a “misunderstanding”. You wont be able to talk your way out of it by being nice and doing what they say. They are Nazis. They are taking you to a death camp.
They don’t care if you’re a citizen. They didn’t care when it was a green card.
Stay in your home and defend it. Coordinate with your neighbors. Have one of them to call to bring additional resistance and pressure. But have a gun. Because when they break down your door. That’s it.
Organizing with your community to protect each other is the best thing you can do. And part of that is making sure you are all prepared and armed.
Large crowds are awesome because if you kill one person in the crowd
The murderer is judged by a jury of his peers and sentenced then and there.
That’s remarkably hard to do in any kind of reliable way. ICE snatches are fast, and the odds of being there with a gun and recognizing what’s going on are low. The odds of shooting somebody by mistake are high.
To date things like handing out red cards has been far more effective
ICE agents exist outside of ongoing raids. They sleep in beds and shop in stores.
And as federal employees their names and home offices are available through a FOIA request. At least for the time being
Just ask DOGE
Damn right. “Please don’t arrest me, I was born here” depose.
“Those who make peaceful reform impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
Centrists like you got us here. Status quos. Call your rep. Go chant in a circle and pray for a better life.
See where that got us? Don’t like being shot at? Don’t be a cunt.
Realistically the lazy, stupid, and fascism supporters got us here.
So, humanity. Got it.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Let’s be honest. If they come for you, you’re going. Still, take someone with you on the way out.
Pretty much. If you’re gonna die either way, might as well make it an even trade.
Melt the ICE.
Oh for sure. I’m not Rambo. I’m just a biter.
It depends on how many neighbors turn out to help them.
I just don’t feel comfortable bringing a gun into my house. I don’t think I stand a chance against 10 automatic-wielding ICE agents.
You don’t. You’re supposed to kill as many as you can before they take you out. You’re dead either way.
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It’s the thought that counts! Pew pew
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Yeah that’s the thing: a gun is far more likely to be used on a family member or yourself than a legit intruder.
Don’t have to get them all by yourself. If everyone they try to arrest gets just one of them they will run out of men a lot faster than they will arrest everyone they want to get rid of. There are way way way way more of us than there are of them if we would get off our asses and stand up for each other and ourselves.
I will take my chance of stand off and quick death over being in prison in another state with no future.
that will just give them an excuse to murder you immediately, and then the right to murder anyone immediately.
although I’m not sure what else can be done, without saying anything illegal that might get me in an FBI watchlist and give me expedited tickets to a free vacation in el Salvador
I’m just incredulous that anyone here believes they have a chance against a militarized police and immigration force. Feels very much like when the right pretended they could defend themselves against the government “taking their guns.” 99% of civilians, gun owners or not, have no chance.
The goal is not to take out the entirety of ICE yourself. The goal is if they come for you to go down fighting and hope to take at least one. The only other option is to go peacefully and be shipped to an El Salvadorian gulag. Where you’ll probably die anyway.
Better to die trying imo
If you really thought this you wouldn’t wait. You would ambush them so that you can take more out. Y’all are just larping.
What’s the alternative? At a certain point it’s fight back or lay down and die. These are literally Nazis. We’re in a bad situation
The point isn’t to take out all of ICE. The point is that if they come for you, you are already dead. Your body just hasn’t stopped moving yet. Cops have shit aiming skills. If you open your door with a Molotov Cocktail and a shotgun, you are taking the quick death, and giving the ones you don’t kill and maim a real and present danger for every single time they follow illegal orders. If you just go peacefully, you’re the only one that is gonna die, and you are going to die as a slave in an El Salvadorian prison.
If you’re talking about organized resistance, the police can be greatly outnumbered. Mostly unarmed people took over a precinct during BLM protests.
If talking about defending yourself in your home, I’d rather die quickly at home than at a prison that tortures people. Hell, I’d rather die than spend 20+ years in a regular US prison.
When the law break in How you gonna go? Shot down on the pavement Or waiting in death row
You can crush us, you can bruise us.
Without a gun, you also don’t stand a chance.
But what if it isn’t a bunch of “legal” authorities? When this all kicks off, which is looking more and more likely, you wont have to worry as much about the authorities, who will already have their hands full, you have to worry about your local MAGA Morons, who will realize that their long-held fantasy of a a Liberal Purge is finally upon them.
All they have to do is look up the voting registrations on their county’s website, and they can easily put together a hit list of Libz in their own neighborhood, and go house to house, doing their duty to their MAGA Nazi leaders, knowing they will be praised as patriots for their murder spree.
That’s who you have to worry about. If you can plug one before he gets you, then you can take HIS guns and ammo, and start building your own arsenal.
You would be surprised how comically inept most LEOs are. They are regular people too. Take your chances.
Then you can learn to fly drones. You might stand a chance against a combat helicopter with a good drone. :) And if things don’t hit the fan, you just have a nice and peaceful hobby. :)
What kind of cargo release do you recommend for water balloons?
What I’m about to describe is my drone’s parachute release system. :)
To release something soft, you would typically have a concave surface or channel on the underside of the drone. Like a bowl upside down, or a pipe cut in half into U-shape and placed upside down. Obviously, for a water balloon - no sharp bits allowed. A parachute requires a wide strap to hold it, tensioned with rubber or made of rubber. Since a balloon is elastic, I think a balloon could do with an inelastic strap.
Anyway, the strap would end at some distance with a solid endpiece, the purpose of which is to distribute load. It might be triangular, circular, anything. The endpiece would end with a loop of string. The loop of string would go though a hole in a holding surface (don’t pull knots through a hole, they can get stuck). On the other side of the holding surface, a pin bent of wire would lock the loop of string. Tension and a slight bend in the pin would ensure it won’t come loose with vibration. Once a servo pulls the pin out of the loop, the weight of the object being released (or the elastic force of rubber) would pull the loop of string out through the surface. The strap would come loose and the object would drop out of its upside down bowl or channel, releasing the parachute (or balloon).
However, this is just one out of dozens of possibilities. It’s relatively beginner-friendly however, hard to get wrong.
Or leave if you can
And go where? Gotta work. Gotta eat. At a certain point if you’re not in the top 5% of applicants, you’re screwed. Your choice is die on your knees or die fighting.
No place on earth is far enough away from the fuckwits who control everything. I wish leaving the US would be the end of it, but everywhere sucks.
Hence “if you can”. I’m currently making it work, but I know it’s not an option for everyone. And yes, it’s gonna suck worldwide, but I’d rather not remain in a country that wants to throw me in a concentration camp because of my skin color or gender identity.
There aren’t many countries that can’t slip into that at any moment. Germany has rising right-wing influence. China is already there. Canada is getting… weird. Anything south of the border is a little sketchy. Where are you going?
So your solution is to stay in a country that is actively in the early stages of full blown genocide against people exactly like me? Please answer as to why the fuck I would want to stay here if I have the chance to get out? I’ve spent the last 25ish years of my life fighting for the right to simply exist and no one gave a shit, so fuck staying.
No, their solution was to ask you what country you actually deem safe. Something you appear to be incapable of answering.
Exactly.
I think they should do that to any US Citizen with 34 convictions or more… starting with the orange ones!
Funny thing is the criteria they talk about would impact Melania Trump and Elon Musk, both of whom became citizens under false pretenses.
The plan is of course to send people whose skin color is too dark or hold left-wing views to the death camp in El Salvador.
Or people who aren’t cis enough or straight enough, or anyone who makes a Republican man feel confused in his pants.
Let’s face it, they want to remove everyone except around 77 million mentally ill sycophants. My guess is to fully bring in the fourth reich with WW3 and the ultimate goal of global dominion until only their kind is left. They don’t care about anything else. If they accomplish that I would assume they would start eating each other until only one is left.
The thing is that the Japanese shat the bed, otherwise the US would have been fine with sitting back and seeing how the Nazi thing played out in the long run.
Yes, the key thing about fascism is that the list of enemies must always be growing. Anyone who thinks they’re safe doesn’t realize this. Sooner or later each of us will be on the list.
That too. I think it’s a pretty long list, and I don’t claim to have any deep insight into the order.
Call it rule 34
Yes, Google that, it explains everything!
It’s impressive how much of the recent deportation scheme leans on the cooperation of one tin-pot state.
There aren’t that many other places with concentration camps conveninently located and leadership ready to deal. It’s unlikely they’d build them domestically, it would take time, cost a fortune, and not achieve the explicit “we removed the evil foreigners” goal.
It would be interesting to see what happened if someone said “we’ll pay you more than what America is paying to close the door.” Would he have to just knock on every presidential palace in the hemisphere looking for a new partner? Try to scale Guantanamo 100x overnight?
It may even become a self filling cycle, though I don’t know if they have even thought this far ahead.
1: Send legal Americans to Salvador prisons
2: Said Americans attempt to return
3: “Look at our border crisis!”
4: Fool idiots into thinking that there is now a border crisis, even though it’s previously legal Americans in every sense of the word.
5: Blame “liberals”
6: Rinse repeat
Maybe, except nobody ever got out of CECOT.
It’s easier if you’re not ideologically consistent, maybe we sell their labor to North Korea for some peace. But if there were ideological consistency, it would be to trade these poor souls on the block chain.
The inevitable progression of insane orange logic.
Fucking fascist
All while they insist that it is impossible for them to have anyone returned from there; even if the person was sent there "by mistake " in direct violation of multiple court orders, even if there are court orders to repatriate the person, and even if those orders come from SCOTUS.
You can’t repatriate the dead.
“Oops, how did we know that they would end up dead?”
Narrator “They knew.”
Who could’ve seen this coming?
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt confirmed this week that the president has discussed this idea privately, too, adding he would only do this “if it’s legal.” […] Stephen Yale-Loehr, a retired immigration law professor at Cornell University, tells Rolling Stone he worries Trump could try to deport citizens anyway, court precedent be damned, given how the administration seems to be “attacking on all fronts and worrying later whether their actions are legal. So unfortunately, it would not surprise me if we saw at least one plane load of incarcerated U.S. citizens being shipped off to El Salvador.”
Oh, at least one
“It’s not like we would send everybody there — but depending on the case, it can be an option,” says one of the people familiar with the matter,
Riiiiight. That’s what they said about the deportations, that it would only be the worst, most violent criminals taken into custody and returned home. Instead they’re snatching people off the streets and out of their homes, throwing them into vans, moving them around the country so their families, friends and lawyers can’t find them, and sending into a death camp that’s not under control of US law, without due process and no possibility of return.
