In light of plans to introduce this policy and the particular circumstances surrounding some boxers that competed at the Paris 2024 Olympic Games, World Boxing has written to the Algerian Boxing Federation to inform it that Imane Khelif will not be allowed to participate in the female category at the Eindhoven Box Cup or any World Boxing event until Imane Khelif undergoes sex testing.
Fucking assholes. From what is known about their sex test, it is similarly scientific to the “I know it when I see it” rule from the 1960s to determine if something is obscene. In other words, utter bullshit.
And all of this pretending to care about women while at the same time you have abuse scandals in sports every five minutes that never seem to have real consequences or result in positive change for the athletes.
Yeah, I don’t believe you one bit when you say you want to protect women.
Just like penis inspection day in gym class
Ah good times. I wonder why coach needed to take pictures though.
World Boxing has written to the Algerian Boxing Federation to inform it that Imane Khelif will not be allowed to participate in the female category at the Eindhoven Box Cup or any World Boxing event until Imane Khelif undergoes sex testing.
Phew, that was close, they almost had to pick a pronoun.
The peak of being afraid of girls
Nice; how much sex do they need to have to pass the test?
It isn’t about the quantity. Its about the quality.
at least fifty thrusts
So like 5 theherk sex units.
I’ve been trying to make “You’re a regular Imane Khelif!” happen (e.g. you’re a superwoman). Or “That hits like Imane Khelif”. Don’t let shitheads write her narrative, you care more than they do, so drop it if you get a chance.
They’re gonna discover the same thing they did in the Olympics that made them stop testing.
It was making people uncomfortable how many of them had the wrong sex assigned at birth.
Women and men who had lived their entire lives as one sex realized they actually had the chromosomes for the opposite sex.
There were stages and layers of sex testing within Olympics history, and every time they got mis-classifications they weren’t expecting.
We figured out by the 50s that a gender binary was not imperically proveable. Too many variables that varied seperate from each other and often conflicted with each other.
The irony if transphobia founders over cis gender dysphoria will be breathtaking.
what does this sentence even mean
Foundering means failure or defeat. It’s originally a nautical term for sinking IIRC.
Cis gender dysphoria would be what a cis person feels when they get kicked out of their assigned-at-birth gender, like is being described. Cis being the opposite of trans.
If anti-trans activists can’t handle gender dysphoria, a major challenge which trans people face, that’s ironic.
What? Really? Didnt know this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_verification_and_intersex_athletes_at_the_Olympic_Games
The history of sex testing for sports is really interesting, for me it’s interesting because despite almost 100 years of the practice not a single “male imposter” has ever been found.
And I was mistaken. Like another comment on this post says they just stopped testing in men’s sports.
That is really interesting
To an extent, I am okay with this. All it would take is one male beating the ever living shit out of a female for people to raise hell. I don’t see this as the males being afraid of the females, as much as boxing be afraid of the double standard consequences.
Woah dude you’re in danger of sounding like a bigot
/s
I care if a male fights a female about as much as I care if I get called a bigot or not. I don’t. I’m not a sensitive cuck like Trump or MAGA in general. I’m just sick of the fucking double standards for this shit. Not by the leagues, conference, division, whatever governing body. But by the masses. The US has already proven that that about 50% of the population are total morons. The masses are the ones that can’t handle male vs female in sports. If a female can fight males, go for it. Let’s do it and find the best. I just don’t want to hear shit when a male beats a female, or when a female beat a male…other than congrats and GG.
So much pointless and cruel bullshit over fucking sport, and one of the stupidest sports no less.
Yes, this is the cruel part, not the part where the point is to punch the other person until they have enough trauma they lose consciousness.
Not allowing biological men to punch biological women until they fall down? That’s the real fascism.
Put a male In with female boxing and see how fair the match ends. It’s not about cruelty it’s about basic muscular differences between sexes.
Edit: Even after transition surgery the muscle gain/loss is not significant enough to be an appropriate excuse.
yikes I cannot believe your name 😬 you’re basically spouting off right wing anti trans propaganda.
I’d suggest you learn a bit more about transitioning, trans women are not just dudes in dresses. and medical transition destroys theuscle gains you get from being a dude.
I can tell you this first hand, I went from jacked dude bro to not even being able to open a jar.i have to asky bf these days LMAO. by the way, professional women athletes can comfortably destroy any random guy, it’s honestly insulting to have this conversation as if it’s anything but more senseless rage bait to paint targets on our backs.
nobody understands just what transitioningeams or what it does, how sex works
how cis women can literally have testosterone just like a cis guy…like it’s all just hate
also I guarantee moone says shit about trans men in male sports it’s literally just hate. if they really cared about fairness they’d do testing for hormone levels and weight differences and class everyone fairly regardless of sex lol.
I sincerely can’t wait for all the broken brains after this Argentinian chiccs test results come back. it’s so fucking cruel what they are saying about her. to suggest she is trans just. because she makes a bunch of weak minded people feel insecure in their understandings of how biology works lol
bein trans is not allowed in Argentina, she’s just masculine cis woman, and I’m sure these cronies know this, they just want to take every opportunity to pass judgement on women specifically under some virtue signalling bullshit
they don’t care about fairness if they did Imsurance companies wouldn’t happily deny a cancer victim. they wouldn’t get off on struggling students whoe graduated sid everything right and still end up homeless
it’s all just silly imo, we’re so pathetic as a species sometimes it makese sad
I’m just being pedantic, but she’s from Algeria, not Argentina.
Otherwise, appreciate your perspective. Hormone changes are like magic!
yikes I cannot believe your name 😬 you’re basically spouting off right wing anti trans propaganda.
When did you become so stupid was it at birth or did you hit your head recently? Fascism is a consequence of far right policy gone unchecked, so in what world does my user name reading “FuckFascism” have anything remotely to do with “spouting off right wing anti trans propaganda”?
They’re specifically targeting Imane Khelif, a female in female boxing.
By claiming that she isn’t actually a woman, and therefore shouldn’t be fighting other women.
Why wouldn’t they then measure testosterone levels instead? What if a trans man fights a woman, because he has a vagina? Is that a fair fight?
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I’d rather fight Tate than Khelif, that’s for sure. One of the two knows how to move, the other one knows how to be angry.
Your feelings aside this is insane. Tate was a 4x world kickboxing champion at light heavyweight. He’d demolish you with one hand tied behind his back
Tate’s record was heavily inflated and after he got one that looked good he stopped fighting because it had served its purpose, and he wasn’t a world champion of anything certified by an organization that actually means anything
I’m not saying you’re wrong necessarily, but one of these people just came off winning an Olympic medal and the other basically won one title and retired
He might – I doubt with one hand, but in any case the point is not that I’d be keen on fighting either, the point is that Tate would be an easier fight than Khelif. Tate does have the capacity, in principle, to be a good fighter (e.g. you can see is kinaesthetic sense in action when he’s dancing, and he does have grit), he could have achieved titles that mean anything to anyone instead of being world champion of beating up complete amateurs and then promptly retiring. Alas, his neuroses are in the way. Lots of show, lots of bluster, dangerous in the sense that a rabid dog is dangerous because, as said, he knows how to be angry. Khelef? Calm, clean, methodical, keeps her centre, actually thinks in the ring. Whole different league, and nothing to do with raw strength. Strength doesn’t do shit when you suck at the rest.
Again this is just delusional. I’m no Tate fanboy but I follow combat sports and train regularly - he’s like 30kg heavier than her and he’s got legit world class skill.
Don’t believe me? Listen to the MMA goat Demetrius Johnson himself break down some footage https://youtu.be/NMwuAut8JJc
A was talking about how they fight, not how they spar… In an edited video. An edited video of a notoriously vain man, for consumption by his fans. Commented by another man with enough of a martial arts beard to declare a clear win a draw and who knows exactly how to keep armchair blackbelts clicking on his videos. No shade though I mean if just one Tate bro now watches Johnson instead of Tate that’s a good thing.
He’s got talent, yes, I already acknowledged that. He’s got some training, that combination is how he beat up complete amateurs (seriously – look at the fight record of the people he fought). He’s probably hitting bags regularly, but, and here comes the kicker: Bags don’t win Olympic medals. Bags don’t study their opponent. Bags don’t evade. Bags don’t out-focus and out-strategise. There’s a reason he quit kickboxing and that’s because he realised he doesn’t have the mind for it (Obligatory Bruce Lee) and quitting early allowed him to grift better.
Watch the Raab vs. Halmich fights one day if you get the chance. Raab is certainly not even a proper amateur when it comes to skill (those are meme fights), but just to get an impression of how 30kg weight difference don’t mean shit in the face of a skill gap. Their height difference is 20cm, Khelif/Tate would be more around 10.
I’m hardly a Tate bro. Just saying female gold medalist boxer is not beating a larger, faster, and sure slightly less skilled male. The gap in physiologies is too great
Looks like I need to post this again.
Alpha bros gonna be real upset that the Typical biological male is a the pink end of the spectrum 😂
That’s a nice infographic, but must we not draw a vertical line somewhere on that spectrum to say what is allowed in women’s sport? It seems unreasonable to allow everything on the spectrum as women’s sports would be dominated by people from the male end of the spectrum.
Sure, but do you think that’s the test they’re doing? Are they testing for the various SRY mutations? Multiple X chromosomes? Multiple Y? Genes that impact hormone regulation?
There are certainly issues with sport categories that are designed to be for something other than the elite in their field, but I don’t expect nuance from the same groups that banned a boxer because she wasn’t sufficiently attractive.
Sure, but do you think that’s the test they’re doing?
I mean they state right there what kind of test they are doing (but perhaps you didn’t read it or missed that part?):
all athletes over the age of 18 that want to participate in a World Boxing owned or sanctioned competition will need to undergo a PCR (polymerase chain reaction) genetic test to determine their sex at birth and their eligibility to compete.
The PCR test is a laboratory technique used to detect specific genetic material, in this case the SRY gene, that reveals the presence of the Y chromosome, which is an indicator of biological sex. The test can be a be conducted by nasal/mouth swab, saliva or blood.
So they are testing for the presence of the Y chromosome. Not sure if that covers any of the questions you asked there but presumably no. But again, we must draw the line somewhere and “presence of the Y chromosome” doesn’t seem to be an unreasonable way to determine that line - at the very least it sounds like a very unambiguous way to draw the line. But I am not an expert so I won’t speak with any confidence about this.
So this test probably won’t catch someone who is XY, but missing the SRY gene. I’m not sure if it will detect a mutated SRY gene, and I don’t pretend to be an expert. I also can’t be sure if thos test will catch someone who is XX with an SRY gene, which is also a thing, nor if it will catch XX/XY mosaicism. And those are the easy ones.
The fact of the matter is, internationally competitive athletes are a group of 0.1% or less, and people with abnormal sex genes, let alone abnormal genes in general, fall into the 0.5% to 1% category. What do you think the overlap is in two groups of outliers?
Edit: Extra reading. Note the 24 genetic variations (that we know of) that count as intersex.
What do you think the overlap is in two groups of outliers?
Well, seeing as people with abnormal sex genes may have an advantage in competitive women’s sports, you would actually expect to see a significant amount of that “outlier” group in the group of top athletes, as there is a selection happening. You’re right that if you chose independently at random from people who are top athletes and people who have abnormal sex genes, the overlap would be incredibly small. But sports is not a random selection at all. At the top of sports, even the smallest advantage means the difference between winning and losing, so even small variations (like those caused by abnormal sex genes) may give significant advantages (perhaps even “unfair” advantages).
And to that, I’ll reiterate my second paragraph previously.
There are certainly issues with sport categories that are designed to be for something other than the elite in their field, but I don’t expect nuance from the same groups that banned a boxer because she wasn’t sufficiently attractive.
Dang. It’s almost like determining someone’s sex is hard to do.
Do you have a higher res copy that isn’t so difficult to read?
I don’t, but I can provide an article with the infographic included.
This might work:
Thanks for sharing. I never seen it before.
ok thanks for the pseudoscience.
Just because the words are too big for you to understand doesn’t mean what they’re describing isn’t real.
nice insult. because someone doesn’t buy the idea, it makes them unable to understand their native language above a certain grade level. lol ok then 👍
There is no idea to buy. Those are observed conditions on real bodies
Because numerous people around the world have been using cutting edge research for decades to study these things, observing their effects in actual people, means that I honestly don’t give a fuck if you “buy the idea”. Your feelings, opinions, and armchair assessments on this topic are worthless.
What specific element is pseudoscience?
the whole thing. you can make believe all you want though, i won’t stop you.
So, hormones don’t exist?
Intersex people don’t exist?
Trans people don’t exist?
And what, we’re all either 100% male or 100% female and there is never a grey area in biology?Don’t make the conscious decision to remain ignorant, you’re keeping yourself back.
i have my own personal beliefs on the matter, and i think everyone should be able to be who they want to be, but i do not subscribe to the notion of transgender people.
Yeah but that’s why they’re beliefs, and not science
stfu
So, you are arguing that SRY inactivation does not occur?
oh my god, your claiming that SRY inactivation dictates your gender? You don’t have that happen and it’s just “oh im not the sex im supposed to be” its well known condition thats VERY RARE called swyer syndrome. The treatment is estrogen HRT therapy for females. its a genetic mutation that is treatable.
Swyer means an XY female, as you are agreeing to now.
What is your definition for female?
a female is someone who is born with female parts, even if they are not developed correctly, don’t think you have a “gotcha” there. and again, i don’t know why you bring up swyer syndrome when it only effects 1 in 80,000 people.
When modern scientists accept new understandings of things that is the science
We’re not in the 50s anymore, we now understand more than we did then.
scientists accept a lot of things, doesn’t mean everyone has to agree with every single thing they say.
Meanwhile in the near future: world boxing to end needless sex testing to save costs.
So much more fun if you believe it to be a test of skill instead of the depressing reality.
The international rise of the Cult of Naturalism and the growing prevalence of their ur-eugenics pseudoscience is horrifying to watch. Like so many other actively harmful ideologies and policies I don’t see any non-violent solutions.
Regardless of where you stand on this issue one thing is fact. Republicans love this issue because it wins them elections over and over and will continue well into the future. Think your going to vote Trumps and his kind out of politics while fighting hard on this issue? People are terrified to vote Democrat just on this and the bathroom points alone. Gay rights/acceptance have come very far in my lifetime, and that is awesome but we are on the edge of losing ALL of those hard won fights while facing full on fascism world over if we don’t strategically/temporarily retreat on ‘some’ issues until we have power and minds again. Take the wins and fight another day, the masses are too divided over this issue at this point in history thus causing weakened voting power blocs while the right is strongly united. I know for a fact there are many rightwing plants everywhere pretending to be left leaning using these talking points to divide us. A smart person picks when, where and how they fight, if winning is the goal.
That’s the same thing they said about gay rights in the 90’s though
Yeh, it was this and not shrieking about immigrants or the economy.
Get a clue
I’m gay. A political scientist with a PhD in statistics and have spent most of my adult life working in Washington. I would never make a statement like that unless I had the actionable data with a negligible margin of error. There is a reason I have not replied back to that thread, need a clue? You just read it.
Political wins, humanization and support for the existence of non-cis people, it’s potato potahto to you right?
To check whether they’ve had it recently or just ever?
