This is why I want immigrants to follow a process to come into the country. We need to make sure they’re compatible with American values.

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    What American values are those?

    The rule of law the entire Republican party is attacking rhetorically and undermining practically?

    It’s not Biden supporters disproportionately engaging in political interference by threatening judges and election volunteers with death because their political leaders are saying there’s corruption everywhere and the election was stolen and Democrats are treasonous traitors trying to destroy America.

    Nope.

    That’s Republicans and their twisted expression of American values.

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      Neither are republicans.

      Remember the riots where republicans burned cities and killed over two dozen people? Oh that was the left.

      Remember when the republicans bombed the capital? Oh wait that was the left.

      Remember the insurrection called Chas? Oh yeah that was the left as well.

      Mob justice. That appears to be something you support as well since you didn’t question that isn’t an American value.

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        Remember when the republicans bombed the capital? Oh wait that was the left.

        Remember the insurrection called Chas? Oh yeah that was the left as well.

        I’m genuinely unfamiliar with what you’re talking about with these two…

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            1983?! Sir, I wouldn’t be alive for another 5 years. To say that I support that is ridiculous.

            And yeah, I’ll get behind CHOP. As in the article’s case, mob violence is a solution with due process repeatedly fails. And the Republican attack on the rule of law, ironically while touting it

            The issue isn’t violence, it’s not like we’re pacifists here. The issue is the justification for it. From my perspective, the right manufactures outrage at social institutions such that it causes people to feel like they only have themselves to rely on for protection. The CIA and FBI are the alleged “Deep State”, after all. In contrast, the left riots and protests violently over state policing murdering minorities. And the murderer almost always face no consequences because of qualified immunity. So, conservatives justify violence based on the false perception of a society in shambles while liberals justify violence based on the lived reality of a society in shambles.

            I’m curious as to what you think.

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              Chop was an actual rebellion. Jan 6th was not.

              The cia and fbi are deep state. There are serious ethical issues with both agencies. Remember Waco and ruby ridge? Randy weaver killed an fbi agent because they were trying to murder his family. It was self defense. Why were they operating as a hit squad? No an obvious disclaimer, I don’t support Randy’s beliefs but I don’t support trying to murder him over trumped up charges.

              The myth that the police are murdering minorities is just that a myth. Qualified immunity has nothing to do wit criminal charges. Zero. Zilch. It’s about civil liability. Why doesn’t the left understand basic law ?

              Most shooting by the police are fully justified and legal. It’s a face if life. I’ve seen the left protest the shootings in in Salem Oregon. Once you take the time to research them. Almost all of them were people shooting at the police when they were shot. Their facts don’t match the truth.

              Now I’m an advocate of police reform but it’s hard to talk about the topic without listing specific cases. Philando is a case I feel was an injustice. I think the officer should have been convicted but once again it nothing to do with qualified immunity. That has zero bearing on a criminal case.

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                Why doesn’t the left understand basic law ?

                That’s an issue with the legal profession as a whole. But also, TIL.

                The myth that the police are murdering minorities is just that a myth.

                Most shooting by the police are fully justified and legal.

                Fine, the left riots and protests violent over police killing minorities and being protected from civil charges with qualified immunity while the perceived nature of the profession shields them from criminal charges in most cases.

                The cia and fbi are deep state. There are serious ethical issues with both agencies.

                That there are ethical issues with both agencies doesn’t mean they’re deep state. I agree with the former but reject the latter out of hand. The deep state is manufactured ghost that permits its users to project their fears onto things that simply don’t exist.

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                  the perceived nature of the profession shields them from criminal charges in most cases.

                  Or there was nothing criminal that happened. Police are allowed to use force to make an arrest and deadly force to protect their lives or serious bodily injury. People don’t understand how much force a cop can legally use and it’s a lot by law and case law. It’s much more than you’d think.

                  That there are ethical issues with both agencies doesn’t mean they’re deep state.

                  And that’s fair. I may be using the word incorrectly. It’s meaning has changed significantly over the years.