INTERVIEW EXCLUSIVE. La boxeuse algérienne, malmenée par une polémique sur son genre, s’est entraînée durant des mois avec les Jeux en ligne de mire. Confidences de son préparateur.
Now that it’s official, hopefully mods will stop banning accounts that point out the obvious for “misinformation”
Even if that is true intersex and transgender are very, very different. Intersex but biologically female could mean some XY chromosomes but that is far more common than you seem to realize. From Snopes:
There are genetic conditions, termed differences of sexual development, in which biological females are born with XY chromosomes but possess female anatomy, or that affect how a biological female regulates and reacts to testosterone, causing levels typically associated with males. Though there is no independent confirmation that Khelif has these conditions, people born this way would legally be considered female or intersex.
Debates over these issues in the context of women’s sports have nothing to do with a purported “woke” or “trans agenda,” because such instances involve women who were born as women, identify as women and have not undergone any sex reassignment surgery or procedure to change this fact. That is what IOC spokesperson Mark Adams meant when he clarified to the press “this is not a transgender issue.”
I would be pretty surprised if this is anything other than 5αR2D, which is what Caster Semenya has. Other sporting leagues have banned people with that condition from competing in the women’s divisions because it’s not fair competition. The IOC should follow suit. In general, intersex people should compete in the men’s divisions unless they can show that they don’t have unfair advantage vs women.
I never thought this was the trans agenda or anything like that, but it was really shitty of Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting to keep competing on a technicality when they found out they were intersex.
It was also gaslighting for everyone pointing out the obvious to get banned for “misinformation”. Ironically, a lot of people were pushing misinformation themselves and not getting called out on it, because they were saying what people wanted to hear.
You making assumptions about “what this is” mean jack shit to everyone else. You are starting from an assumption that if she is intersex she is the opposite gender of what she presents as, why? Based on the many other articles I’ve read she at most has elevated XY chromosomes, but still within range of female norms.
Bitching about unfair advantages? If some people having elevated XY chromosomes is “unfair” I have bad news for you, men can have different levels of it too. Michael Phelps has several genetic abnormalities which make him an amazing swimmer, since those are not the norm should he be disqualified?
What in the world do you mean by “elevated XY chromosomes”? Do you mean testosterone?
Michael Phelps is a person that went through male puberty competing against other people that did too. It is completely different and unfair to force women to fight and compete against people with XY chromosomes that went through male puberty. Michael Phelps has had all of his records subsequently broken by other men. Women will never win competitions against or break records set by people with XY chromosomes.
So you are also discovering for the first time that both genders have testosterone in their system?
And you are again making statements not based in fact, she did not go through “male puberty”. You are blatantly pushing a narrative with no regard for facts.
I’m well aware of that fact. I think you misunderstand something. Someone can have “elevated testosterone”, but “elevated XY chromosomes” as you used it doesn’t make sense. Are you confusing XY chromosomes and testosterone?
Even if that is true intersex and transgender are very, very different. Intersex but biologically female could mean some XY chromosomes but that is far more common than you seem to realize. From Snopes:
There are genetic conditions, termed differences of sexual development, in which biological females are born with XY chromosomes but possess female anatomy, or that affect how a biological female regulates and reacts to testosterone, causing levels typically associated with males. Though there is no independent confirmation that Khelif has these conditions, people born this way would legally be considered female or intersex.
Debates over these issues in the context of women’s sports have nothing to do with a purported “woke” or “trans agenda,” because such instances involve women who were born as women, identify as women and have not undergone any sex reassignment surgery or procedure to change this fact. That is what IOC spokesperson Mark Adams meant when he clarified to the press “this is not a transgender issue.”
I would be pretty surprised if this is anything other than 5αR2D, which is what Caster Semenya has. Other sporting leagues have banned people with that condition from competing in the women’s divisions because it’s not fair competition. The IOC should follow suit. In general, intersex people should compete in the men’s divisions unless they can show that they don’t have unfair advantage vs women.
I never thought this was the trans agenda or anything like that, but it was really shitty of Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting to keep competing on a technicality when they found out they were intersex.
It was also gaslighting for everyone pointing out the obvious to get banned for “misinformation”. Ironically, a lot of people were pushing misinformation themselves and not getting called out on it, because they were saying what people wanted to hear.
You making assumptions about “what this is” mean jack shit to everyone else. You are starting from an assumption that if she is intersex she is the opposite gender of what she presents as, why? Based on the many other articles I’ve read she at most has elevated XY chromosomes, but still within range of female norms.
Bitching about unfair advantages? If some people having elevated XY chromosomes is “unfair” I have bad news for you, men can have different levels of it too. Michael Phelps has several genetic abnormalities which make him an amazing swimmer, since those are not the norm should he be disqualified?
What in the world do you mean by “elevated XY chromosomes”? Do you mean testosterone?
Michael Phelps is a person that went through male puberty competing against other people that did too. It is completely different and unfair to force women to fight and compete against people with XY chromosomes that went through male puberty. Michael Phelps has had all of his records subsequently broken by other men. Women will never win competitions against or break records set by people with XY chromosomes.
So you are also discovering for the first time that both genders have testosterone in their system?
And you are again making statements not based in fact, she did not go through “male puberty”. You are blatantly pushing a narrative with no regard for facts.
I’m well aware of that fact. I think you misunderstand something. Someone can have “elevated testosterone”, but “elevated XY chromosomes” as you used it doesn’t make sense. Are you confusing XY chromosomes and testosterone?
So you didn’t bother reading my first comment, got it.