I can understand the desire to get as many downvotes as possible on reddit. I don’t sympathize, but I can at least see where people are coming from. Because Reddit gives you that total and shows it to you.
And I’m sure it’s possible to use an API to really that number up on Lemmy, but “total karma” doesn’t seem to be something Lemmy cares about by default, so where is the motivation coming from?
Is it just the same reason people have always been trolls? Because I’ve never quite understood that, either
I don’t think it was ever honestly about the points, even on reddit.
I think it’s just human nature to get enjoyment at making other people upset. It comes from a lack of empathy, understanding, and perspective.
When I was young, my cousin and I would hop into randomly chosen public chatrooms on MSN, or Yahoo, and just start typing stupid messages. We’d spam the chat with constans messages of “booger” or “poopy fart” and watch people get annoyed with us. Sometimes we’d pick a random message from someone and call them out telling them “hey {username}, shut up stupid.” The whole chatroom would get mad and tell us to leave, or to stop, and that made us keep doing it more. For a good half hour to 45 min, the entire chatroom was having a bad time except us, who were laughing out heads off at how mad they got and how compeley powerless they were to stop us.
We were also 10.
We haven’t experienced how annoying and frustrating that actually is. We didn’t understand or even care just how disruptive we were being, nor did we care about our contribution to making the space a bad space to be in. We, as children, didn’t have the empathy, compassion, or perspective of experience to care about that, and were just reveling in the attention and the power to force a group of strangers to focus on us and not what they originally wanted to.
Some people eventually develop empathy, self awareness, gain perspective on the world, or otherwise come to understand how immature these acts areof getting joy at being annoying, and stop. Other people don’t. The internet is home to people in all different stages of their life’s journey, and a lot of them haven’t reached that point yet.
Some troll because they’re immature. Some do it because they actively dislike a community and pettily get joy at annoying them. Some people just like the attention. People are complicated and weird, and often hard to understand. There is just one thing that will always be true:
As long as people exists, so too will trolls.
Same thing I’ve been wondering about the spammers. Like, ok, you thought you left a mark? But few people will remember your username and the mods will just bulk-delete your shit. I don’t get it. Too much effort, time and probably some money for literally nothing.
Someone recently spammed a popular community with about a hundred copies of a hate message + an unmarked nsfw image. I reported it as I’m sure everyone else who saw them did, taken down very swiftly, thanks mods.
But in that case as with many others I think the goal literally is just to put hate and the threat of violence before people’s eyes. Even if only for a few minutes, maybe a vulnerable person sees it and it ruins their day. Real scum of the earth mentality
In addition to what others have said:
Since Qanon and covid conspiracies, it became clearer that trolling is not just a past-time to engage recreationally in. It is something that can actually have policy effects in democratic societies.
As a result, it begins to make sense for an international rival to exert itself to inexpensively cause disruption in unfriendly powers.
This sort of troll cannot be simply ignored, unfortunately.
Trolls have existed as long as social spaces have. No one really knows why trollers troll; it is one of the great mysteries
How does one define a troll here?
Oh, or “just asking questions” and sealioning. I’d pretty much universally consider those to be trolling.
Not sure how dumb a question this is, but could someone give me a ELI5 on this “sealioning”? I am no stranger to being accused of it (perhaps almost 95% of the time by people that are banned by the end of the week), yet I look up the term constantly and the definition always seems like a good thing. It’s almost as if it’s the next big buzzword. Where is the line drawn?
It’s bad because of the, like, stalking/prodding people until they engage part of it. Just like JAQing, it starts with a pretense of doing no wrong. This means sometimes it’s possible to accuse someone of it when they’re acting in good faith because what they said closely resembles others who have acted in bad faith.
As someone who believes in the concept of benefit of the doubt, this seems against anything I would call someone out for then.
I’m with you. I wouldn’t think it was happening until it already happened.
I don’t know. I was thinking about, like, bad takes argued for in bad faith, or at least bad form. Constant straw-manning and ad hominems to support an argument like “women are inferior to men” or some other bs
Oh, those. I always just shrug at the idea people might disagree with something, it’s not the same as malice.
Disagreeing is fine, but fallacious arguments aren’t. I feel it’s important to be able to understand why you believe what you do, or at least not to expect others to agree with you if you can’t. Fallacious arguments are not good reasons to believe something, and outright false ones are even worse.
Holding an opinion I disagree with is fine, it’s when you tell me my opinion is wrong and offer only bad reasoning to convince me that it’s a problem.
Commenting with the goal of being disruptive rather than constructive (or at least funny).
I’m not a troll on Lemmy, but there’s another internet forum where I let it out a little. That one’s a hobby forum, and it happens to be a hobby that a lot of people are trying to monetise. The forum rules are clear that you’re not welcome to advertise your product unless you participate in discussion as well. Of course, a lot of advertisers post without bothering to read the rules first. They’re engaging with us in bad faith, so I feel justified in doing the same to them. I like to ask disingenuous questions and pretend to be stupid while stringing them along with the possibility of a sale. So:
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It’s fun to mildly bully people who’ve done something to deserve it.
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You could have bought a banner advert, Scrooge.
Would you mind dming me that forum sounds fun? Oh on our Instance we have internet trolls anonymous community you can posts your trolling screen shots to
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Trolls are trolls. The number is an excuse on Reddit, but it’s not the reason they really do it. If it were, why are there trolls on Twitter, Facebook, and in the YouTube comment section?
Sociopaths like to antagonize and cause distress as a means of exerting control over others. In the case of online trolls they aren’t just sociopaths but also pathetic losers who can’t antagonize others in person without getting their heads handed to them.
As long as I get some amount of engagement, the points really don’t matter to me. I once posted something in an attempt to call attention to misogyny. The post broke no rules, but given my intent, I suppose it could be considered trolling. Most people (and probably some of their sock puppets) didn’t agree with me and I got quite a few downvotes on the post itself and in the comments, but if it made one person reconsider their position, it was worth it to me.
I think in my mind trolling has to be perpetrated in bad faith, i.e. your stated intentions and actual intentions are at least different and quite possibly contrary. Doesn’t sound like you were trolling.
Darn. I really need to buckle down and climb back under that bridge. 😆
Well I’ve been behaving on lemmy for the sake of our instances users. So yea there’s that.
I mostly troll on plemora and the reason I even started doing that is because…
I HATE how all the posts are out of context. It’s like a bunch of conversations that don’t make any sense. And that you’re not included in.
At first no one talked to me at all. So I got mad and started spit firing insults. Then all of a sudden lol.
I don’t do it much. Usually just when I’m bored and most of the time I insult and move on. I don’t really engage in replies just bc why?
I’m of the opinion that I’m an internet person who shouldn’t matter to you. Just ignore me. Don’t engage you’re wasting your time
Exactly this: don’t engage. You may be 100% right and justified but the energy you invest even in responding is lost/wasted. It’s a temptation to be right and you’re falling for it. Your attention could be elsewhere.
For example, I use YouTube as a learning platform mainly, but sometimes for entertainment. If I started arguing with someone in the comments then I’ve strayed from my own understanding of the platform’s place in my life. I try to weild technology with more awareness and avoid those pitfalls.
The lulz.
That is all.
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
yea, we do.
Because we like the smell. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0274143
