Do you understand how insane it is to have the aggregate of all human knowledge — the only comparable thing once being a physical library

I’m learning to build a house. The internet is useless. The pile of 1980s books in my FIL’s basement is teaching me the vast majority. The internet could be a wonderful thing. But, it’s primarily profit optimized bullshit. The only exception I’ve found is video-based basic computer science instruction.

I’m from the pre-Internet era and even I have trouble imagining how to get shit done without it these days.

Latish Gen Z here, it never really needed to click. Its been there the whole time, so it’s just a norm part of life, like it’s always been. Like, I get that it’s insane, but it’s not out of the norm for me, because it IS my norm. My parents were decently strict when I was little, but once I hit my tweens they gave me a LOT of slack.

Yo some deleted their comments presumably because you’re millennial, GenX, whatever — I still find your comments interesting!

I’m a millennial, so I guess I grew up with the internet, but wasn’t something I really used myself until high school. I remember the “information superhighway” term pushed a lot in grade and middle school. My family only had dial-up until after I graduated high school, mainly because my parents were concerned I would spend too much time on the internet (they were 100% right lol). I wasn’t allowed on the internet at home unless I had to do research for a school project. I ended up having a do a lot of “research” for a while.

In high school, I got my hands on a second-hand laptop, so I would take it to friends houses or wherever I could get a wifi connection and screw around on the web. I spent a lot of time on Newgrounds and AIM before Youtube was a thing. I learned how to find the .swf files in the browser cache so I could rewatch flash videos when I was offline. I also learned some things about my family while browsing the browser cache, but I’ll be keeping those secrets.

I never used Napster, but did use Kazaa and similar to download music and such.

I didn’t quite understand how insane it is to have access to that much knowledge until later. To me, the internet was a convenient place to do research, play games, watch funny videos, and chat with friends.

I was just given a computer with unrestricted internet access and learnt it that way. Of course, the internet being unrestricted made me visit some questionable and illegal websites. Including CP and some hardcore NSFL using the tor browser. But I don’t regret it (other than the last points).

GenX here. Got my first computer for HS graduation in 1994. My class had 70 kids in it, we had about 300 kids in total Freshmen to Seniors in a town of 2,500 people. I commuted to college to save money and signed up for a 1-hour seminar so I could get a Linux shell account through the university. From there I could fight to dial into one of twenty phone lines where I could surf the net as text using lynx at 2400 baud. I bought “The Internet Yellow Pages” because I wanted to find Archie & FTP sites to go look up stuff like the MIT lockpicking guide because search engines didn’t yet exist and knowing how to lockpick sounded edgy and cool.

I say this to set the scene for you. Because when I found out that there were people out there in the world on Usenet (when it was still a worldwide forum for discussion) just as geeked out about G1 Transformers as I was, it was something special. The same went for music, comics, books, games, movies. People hate on social media now, and yeah it’s a huge corporate cashgrab and has allowed some real turds to float up to the surface of humanity. But back then, it let rural gay kids find each other too. It let anime nerds find literally anyone to talk to about their hobby. Neurodivergent types could go post for hours with other neurodivergent types about their passions and it was ok. All of us that felt isolated and abnormal everywhere else in real life, could finally feel a sense of belonging with our “online friends.”

The realization “I’m not alone” was a life changing feeling. Like all the pressure being let out of the instapot. It rapidly changed how I viewed people different than myself. It opened my eyes to a reality so far beyond the tiny town I grew up in with its tiny town ambitions and tiny town ideals.

And as its evolved, its changed my learning. I don’t know how to explain the effort necessary to learn new things before search engines. If no one in your small circle had the answer to your problem, it required sitting at a computer and trying things over and over and over until you figured out the answer, for sometimes days or weeks. 2 days ago, I needed to set up a linux box up to auto-login, and after 30 seconds of googling and typing a command, it was working. And while my understanding of why it worked is shallow, I can unwind that command to understand the nuance of it online. And it seems we just take it for granted that we have our personal creativity backed by the knowledge of the whole human race when we need to tackle a problem now.

I’m not saying “kids these days got it easy,” because they’re facing problems I never imagined. But I have an intense joy at seeing how the generations after me seamlessly integrated this thing that changed my life into a device in their pocket. How they share personal struggles unashamedly with their peers, and get instant support from total strangers. How they can find their tribe online much more easily. How it’s just mundane to them now, to the point they don’t remember the specialness of it.

And it morphs all the time. Usenet became forums, became Slashdot, became Fark, became Myspace became Facebook became Twitter became Reddit became Instagram became Tiktok. Hard to believe each of those were “cool” at one point before the Enshitification took over most of them. It felt cool again when I joined Lemmy. No algorithms, slight bar for entry, not yet on the radar of big corporations, mostly perused by passionate people who wanted something outside the reach of its forebears. It feels like we are staking our claim on a little piece of the frontier again.

I learned how to use a computer basically all by myself. Been using computers in some way or since I was 5 or smth like that and I can’t really say that it “clicked”. I just got gradually better at it, because I was (and still am) a huge nerd.

GenX-er here, FWIW. Grew up with an Apple IIc in the 80s then a pc the 90s. the IIc didn’t have internet at first, just games, productivity apps, and programming tools. that was what computers were for. back then. work and a little play.

eventually, we got prodigy for the IIc, and eventually a pc that also had Prodigy (an online service, a precursor to the internet). this was service you dialed into with a modem (screee!) and had services like an online encyclopedia and other information resources, chat rooms, some games, and other stuff to do online. it was pretty amazing for the time. eventually, we got AOL which had a lot more features, better chat rooms and email, and which eventually transitioned to an actual ISP-- then so did my family; transitioned to a local ISP, that is. Although, that was about 1994, and when i went to university a few years later, i had a dedicated T3 line in my dorm.

i was pretty fortunate, as most kids i knew didn’t have a computer at home, let alone an online/internet connection. i stayed up late most nights connected to IRC and screwing around on a lot of usenet news groups. i started learning html and building web pages. i got my hands on a copy of photoshop and immediately knew what i would be doing with the rest of my life. (and have been).

broadband internet soon became accessible to most americans, and the world changed forever. then i discovered mp3s, and the magic of torrenting was invented… the ability to instantly access any information instantly, communicate instantly with anyone, everyone, and the ability to get any media i wanted for free, whenever i wanted it… and to create anything i wanted… what a world!

growing up to see all of that unfold and to be a part of it happening is something i never don’t feel privileged to have been a part of. it was and still is amazing. i believe that the internet is one of humankind’s greatest inventions. not only that, but it’s an ongoing amalgamation of innovations, contributed to by everyone, which continues to evolve, and that makes it all the more amazing.

I’d always been amused at the fact that boomer school librarians were primarily the ones responsible for “teaching” students how to “use computers”. It really hammered home the point early on for me that you learn primarily by doing, not by being instructed.

How was the concept first explained to you, or when did it click?

I was too young to have it explained. I was just given access to computers since as far back as I can remember. And internet-connected computers almost just as far.

Do you understand how insane it is to have the aggregate of all human knowledge

I disagree with the notion that all human knowledge is reachable through the internet. I didn’t used to have this perspective until only a few years ago.

Were your parents super strict about internet usage?

I had absolutely no supervision, aside from concern over time spent playing games (which I think they perceived differently from non-game activity, which can be equally as unproductive).

How quickly did you find workarounds?

Usurped de facto control over the family router as a by product of being the only one both willing and able to “help” “administrate” it. It remained that way until the day I moved out.

I think that millennials got to enjoy a once-in-human history opportunity of digital literacy asymmetry between immediately adjacent generations. We had unprecedented freedom.

Gen Z (2006) here, I definitely grew up with the internet since I was born after it became mainstream for the public. Before learning about the internet I was restricted to an iPod which I got when I was a little older than 5 years old which was restricted to a few games, ones of those were minecraft. My only exposure to the internet at the time was going to my grandmas where I would watch minecraft videos on her TV or play games on her laptop. This is when I first grasped the concept of the internet, in which I didn’t see it as an information library at the time but more so easy fun since I wasn’t “really” on the internet. I was like 10 when I started using social media, but even then most of it was just YouTube and later Reddit.

I’m pretty impressed by the collection of knowledge the internet has, it’s definitely a step up from the community library I went to when I was a kid but now I only go so often. More so in my early teenage years I mostly used the internet for communication since I was mainly on mainstream social media platforms. Nowadays, I mostly use less mainstream platforms because I was blind to how corporate and monetized the internet was for the past two decades. I also use archive.org a lot to watch anime, movies, and read pdfs since I don’t have to pay for the real thing. The internet does have an upside, and I would say my favorite part of the internet is its convenience. As for my internet usage, my parent’s didn’t really care, lol.

I got my first PC in the mid 90s. 1st task was to take it apart, but after that, I first learned about the internet through friends, and we had a few computers at school in the library or the BASIC programming classrooms. My primary uses were the Blizzard chat rooms and playing OC starcraft with my friends (though we’d usually just get together at someone’s house and LAN for that.) I had AOL for a while, but couldn’t really afford it and neither could my parent. There was a thing called netZero I used for quite a while…it was free dial-up internet that displayed an ad banner on your desktop, but it wasn’t very intrusive, especially if you had a crazy high resolution (crazy high at the time being > 480x768). My primary uses were picking 2-3 mp3s to download overnight while I slept so nobody would pick up the phone and disconnect the internet, sharing dangerous and stupid amounts of personal info to basically anyone on IRC that asked (a/s/l anyone?), playing around with kitchy little hacker tools (one of my favorites allowed you to attach a malicious executable to your picture you’d send to people that would allow to do goofy shit like open their cd rom or flip their screen upside down). My mom’s only complaint about the internet was when she couldn’t use the phone (so I mostly browsed late at night). It was harder to find things, and there wasn’t much content…what was out there was just text since even images took 10s of seconds to download sometimes. Security and parental controls (beyond fear mongering) were practically non-existant and even when someone’s parents were competent enough to try and lock it down, most of the pare tal controls could be overridden with the local admin account, which we all knew the passwords to because we had install the stuff our parents wanted on the computer anyway.

Good question, thanks for the trip down memory lane!

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I was 8 years old when I first got my hands on my uncle’s new Blackberry that had unlimited internet access on it. I literally searched and looked up every single thing on the internet. Took me like 30 minutes to get to porn and an hour to see my first gore video. Quite the experience. I still cringe thinking about the fact if he ever checked his phone history or not.

But it quickly became a part of your life not unlike TV or computers.

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