Hopefully not too many tears in the comments.

Just downvote and move on, friends.

  • P00ptart@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    2 months ago

    Yeah it has nothing to do with all the hate, rape and murder that’s been condoned by religions throughout history. 🙄

    • kernelpanicEnglish
      2·
      2 months ago

      why would any christian date woke, edhy mgy incel atheist? oh wait, u dont use factsand logic

    • LovstuhagenOPMEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      This is checkmate because the only thing I could do to respond to this would begin talking on the internet about how “I am a capable man who dated many non-believing women without issue…!” while I am like this married 40 year old man with children.

      I am a loser if I say nothing; I am a loser if I reply. You win this round, JeeBai.

  • EmmieEnglish
    2·
    2 months ago

    Help me pls what is the good think here because I need my internet points

    • kernelpanicEnglish
      2·
      2 months ago

      serious question… do u vote left or right in norway?

      • fjord_monkeyEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        SV. Rødt are a bunch of idealistic idiots, Senterparti don’t understand that policies favouring agrarianism don’t benefit the country in the grand scheme of things, arbeiderparti have sold out the working class, høyre and Frp are doing their best to turn Norway into the USA, venstre is responsible for privatising the rail network, green is not realistic, and KrF… Just no. Although none of the parties agree with my stance that Norway should have enough nuclear weapons to turn the entire Eurasian continent into a glowing lake. But Sosialistisk Venstreparti is the closest for most policies.

        • kernelpanicEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          that explains, btw i got friend who is half norwegian

    • LovstuhagenOPMEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      It is not good enough that heaven exists for the innocent and the faithful - it must exist for me, raight now.

      • fjord_monkeyEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        Nah I’m saying that if a parent subjected their kids to these trials of faith, CPS would remove their kids before you could say pedophile priest. If there is a god (massive if), then god’s abusive and unworthy of acknowledgement let alone worship. If a being so powerful as to be able to create a universe from nothing with a snap of their fingers allows suffering to happen in their creation, then torture is the point of the system. Not cool. Either god’s an asshole or he doesn’t exist.

        • LovstuhagenOPMEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          All suffering on earth is a means for us to repent and improve ourselves, since we are actually created imperfect.

          • fjord_monkeyEnglish
            1·
            2 months ago

            Do you know how unhinged that sounds to someone who grew up without religion? Do you give your pets regular beatings to cleanse their soul? Put gravel in your kids shoes so they’ll become a good person? Self flagellation doesn’t make you a good person, it makes you insane (or kinky I guess ). Punishing someone for their imperfections doesn’t make you loving, it makes you an asshole. Please explain why allowing someone to die slowly from cancer while vomiting their guts out from the chemo makes god a cool dude?

            • LovstuhagenOPMEnglish
              1·
              2 months ago

              We believe that spiritual advancement is impossible without humility, and the greatest reminder of humility is our own mortality. This is why my uncle, an alcoholic, who spent his last year unable to keep food down and vomiting his guts up, who died quite painfully over the course of his last months, was perhaps able to convert. It was able to reduce his life back to the objective perspective of it: a mortal in a weak husk doomed to give up the ghost.

              Which is why in Catholic & Orthodox traditions it is thought that a prolonged death is desirable and a sign of divine mercy, while a quick, instantaneous death that does not provide a chance for reflection and penance is considered undesirable.

              One of the more important things to understand about this, IMO, is also that non-physical suffering is a great teacher. Even enduring the unjust slander given to you is a sort of penance and opportunity for self-improvement and spiritual awakening.

              It is also the case that the suffering of others provides much opportunity for reflection - many people around the world come to a pacifism through observing the results of the Ukraine and Gaza conflcits.

              Many people become vegans just by encountering a single suffering animal.

              Perhaps that is enough text for now - tell me, what do you think about this idea?

              • fjord_monkeyEnglish
                1·
                2 months ago

                So god’s plan:

                1. Make the universe

                2. fill it with compassionate creatures

                3. make them suffer unimaginable torment, needlessly

                4. only grant them entry to a less shitty existence if they learn to appreciate the abuse. Otherwise extend their torment for eternity.

                6. profit

                Am I missing anything?

                • LovstuhagenOPMEnglish
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  (1) Yes (2) “Sentient” is a better word. Man tends to be selectively compassionate. (3) The suffering is pretty imaginable, as is the torment, and it is all purposeful and thus needful. There is also a lot of pleasure, including very simple pleasures obtained from just looking at the horizon. (4) Life is not purely abuse, and we do not even know what the “cutoff” for heaven is.