I have seen many comments saying that lemmy.world sucks, and sh.itjust.works is good. I have seen that lemmy.world apparently has a very poor reputation among other instances. Why? After a quick look, sh.itjust.works doesn’t look much different to me. Can anyone explain?
Edit: many good replies. the conclusion I’m drawing is that for my purposes it doesn’t really matter. I appreciate everyone who responded
Here’s the description by both:
sh.itjust.works:
A bilingual (EN/FR) general-purpose instance located in eastern Canada! Powered by 99% renewable energy! Everyone is welcome eh.
Lemmy.World:
A generic Lemmy server for everyone to use. (…) Lemmy.World is a general-purpose Lemmy instance of various topics, for the entire world to use
The comments about instances being “good” or “bad” is just plain ol’ tribalism.
Users get attacked for the instances they registered to, even if they were unaware of instance politics when they actually registered. That sucks!
Lemmy world has more users and therefore more likely to have more jerks when the jerk to not jerk ratio within an instance is the same.
There are/were a few instances where staying with their registration is worthy of assuming the worst about them.
The extra jerks on Lemmy world create more content so the mean jerk time is greater
If they were spread between other instances they would have the same total jerk time.
I agree with you. IMO, it’s not that different.
The big difference is between the tankie LARPer instances (lemmygrad, hexbear, parts of lemmy.ml) and the rest of the major instances.
As a socialist, you will understand I’m sure that constant being slurred with “tANkiE” from mostly .world users is very tiring
Says the person who has massive amounts of Antisemitic hatred and are quite happy to full on blow Putin’s dick whilst spouting his propaganda I’m not shocked you’re being called a Tankie
They never mentioned you or slrpnk
Or socialism.
They used a political slur against entire servers and on the left, there is a concept of solidarity.
Solidarity with authoritarians has a long and sordid history of betrayal and being lined up against walls in the end. Anarchists have had to learn that lesson in the most brutal of ways.
Yep. They only tolerate you as long as you’re useful. As long as you don’t push back against their mass incarceration, assassination, and even genocide. Authoritarians are authoritarian first. Left or right is a distant afterthought.
Authoritarians are bad but lemme just stick up for Russia and Iran mmmkay.
There’s a difference between being a socialist, and blindly defending authoritarian regimes that claim they are socialist. Those instances earned their reputation for a reason.
Make it a stickie, because barely anyone observes this definition.
I am regularly slurred as Russian bot or a tANkiE when calling for peace and de-escalation of war.
Daily .
Have you stopped to consider that maybe you’re just an asshole?
No, seriously, you’re whining about being called a tankie when… like dude, you’re a tankie. Half your comments are just bringing up how EU/UK support for Ukraine’s defense is a frivolous waste or similar. I doubt you think of yourself like this but to an outside observer you’re deeply toxic.
… the root of the problem is your apparent compulsion to call people “toxic” and “assholes” for having different views.
Ah yes, the “no u” gambit. Classic, deadly, refined. The most elegant of rebuttals. A refuge for only the sharpest of wits.
Anyways, do you mean different views like say, someone holding different (and by your own admission, quite common) opinions about how your conduct reflects on your character…?
They’re not calling you that for having different views. They’re calling you that for making up reasons to offend yourself and acting like a toxic drama queen. And the ratio shows they aren’t alone.
And what is your reason for adding your personal attack to this already well populated debate ?
There’s a huge difference between a tankie and a socialist:
- Socialist supports economic policy aimed at just distribution of resources
- Tankie supports fascist-like authoritarianism under a mask of socialism
How you to choose define it changes nothing .
Uh… Yeah, it does. It literally defines the meaning and the context in which the term is used. Thats… how language works. Fundementally.
Goodness me, you are being difficult today.
I think you can appreciate, that no one user’s definition - no matter how agreeable you and I might find it - speaks to everyone’s definition of the same term.
Especially when we are talking about colloquial slur, like tankie, which isn’t in main dictionaries.
Sure, but it does speak to that user’s definition, which is what they were talking about. And honestly, their definition is pretty much the standard. ‘A pejorative term for supporters of authoritarian regimes, particularly communist ones’ is the definition in some form across every site I’ve turned up in the thirty seconds I spent on this. It’s what everyone else in this thread appears to be using. Seems like its pretty agreed on.
It’s fair to call people who white-wash authoritarianism, genocide and roleplay as communists tankies.
This is not a matter of different opinions. They openly support the russian invasion, the atrocities of the russian occupation and reject Ukrainian identity and self-determination.
It’s the literal definition of the word.
.world is the instance where most new users default to so and it has the highest user base and that includes a lot of trolls or just bad faith actors. Also, a lot of .world is based from reddit users who left and they brought that kind of mindset along. Some people don’t like that either.
What does it matter which users are on which server, since we all get the same content anyways, aside from defederation?
it really doesn’t. those that make it about server handles are the reason movements fail, like get over yourself, ppl! hexbear came @ me pretty hard for my instance. fuck em.
hexbear is true garbage.
Your account may be banned by the admins if they don’t like you. If it’s on your home instance, you lose the entire account. That’s why it’s important to create your account on a trustworthy instance (or host your own).
It doesn’t, except for the ones who like to browse local. And the .world admins have quite a few blocked instances. They seem to be a bit too liberal in defederating to my tastes. I feel as if it runs against the concept of federation itself.
They are just two different servers. Lemmy.World is one of the really big ones. I had an account there but because of the size there were a lot of performance issues. I would recommend you join one of the smaller servers like sh.itjust.works. You have access to almost all the same information on the Fediverse.
You’ll miss out on the Beehaw community on Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, since Beehaw defederated from them
Lemmy.cafe is a nice general purpose instance that only defederates from the most extreme instances, while still giving access to Beehaw and all other instances. It’s still small too, so it’d more effectively spread the load compared to creating an account on sh.itjust.works, which already has a pretty huge user count.
You’ll miss out on the Beehaw community
Beehaw seems completetly dead to me, there’s only ever a handful of comments on posts.
They still have a little over 300 Monthly active users, which puts it in line with my own instance. So not huge, but certainly not dead.
They have really heavy handed moderation
If you consider lemmy.ml and hexbear.net “most extreme” then sure.
Lemmy ml are huge terrorist apologists
Considering their main export is genocide and dictatorship apologia, I do
An instance who is federating, with pedocriminality, far rights, etc,
Super this workaround,Not every person on lemmy.ml is an “leftist” who wants imperialist system,
Beehaw is not worth the effort. Their audience is way too sensitive to participate with any reasonable level of social interaction. You will live on eggshells if you wish to participate there,
I’ve never had a problem, always enjoyed my time interacting there 🤷
Many libs, racists, and bigots on both
Thanks for adding yourself to my block list :)
A pleasure.
To those who promotes lemmy.cafe as a solution,
No shame that the instance doesnt block far rights and pedo instances ?Start considerate your self at a moment,
Not every leftists are for imperialisms… True leftists are humanists, and want the right for people to get autodetermination,
At a moment, stop being ridiculous,
Basically none. Both are mainstream instances, not practicing any extreme moderation policy.
You might have confused lemmy.world with lemmy.ml which does have some communities with bad reputation.
I have seen that lemmy.world apparently has a very poor reputation among other instances.
It’s the largest by far, with five times the monthly active population of #2. One of the main things people want out of federated systems is decentralization, and having one huge dominant server goes against that goal.
I should note .world wasn’t the biggest when I signed up. I picked it because mastodon.world was a known quantity, which led me to believe the same team would run a stable server.
So far my experience with sh.itjust.works has been shit. I was banned from a community there for “vibes”.
Most servers don’t micromanage community moderation. That sort of thing could happen almost anywhere.
