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    There are some punctuation errors in your title. It should read:

    Plex is “overhauling” its apps with a redesign and under-the-hood “upgrades”

    Those who use Plex to access personal media will find that their libraries are in a dedicated [hidden] tab, while the Watchlist will take up prime real estate in the top navigation section. Plex says it also streamlined the user menu for quick access to things like your profile, friends and watch history.

    So they’re hiding the entire point of Plex deep in the menu and promoting things that make them money. Enshittification.

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      Precisely. I don’t want or use any of those features. I’ve disabled all the streaming service and friend stuff, I don’t ever use the watchlist, and I use Tautulli for watch history. I don’t even really care about watch history either. I mostly set up Tautulli because I like self-hosting stuff.

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      It’s a business. Hosting a service to keep connections up isn’t free or trivial. It’s cheap and easy to learn how to maintain though. Get jellyfin and a VPN and a tunnel.

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      There are so many little fixes and changes they have done over the years. I expect so many edge cases that they kindly took care of not being taken care of anymore.

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    Did a quick check of this in the iOS beta and there is no indication of additional enshitification as everyone fears.

    The first tab is the home tab and the first few rows are from my library. I don’t see any option to hide the random noise that comes after it.

    The second tab is the library itself which has the normal rows of various groups, continue watching, recently released, etc.

    There is also a tab for live tv, on demand and discover.

    I’ll probably only use discover because I use the watch list as one of many ways to feed my wanted lists.

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    I installed the beta. It’s not that bad. My server was the first thing I saw when I opened it. So it wasn’t pushing the other stuff.

    It’s missing a bunch of little things tho, like checking the file properties for an episode or movie.

    This overhaul might live up to their pitch. I hope it does.

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      yeah, same. i hope it works out! doesn’t seem like it’s going to affect my library & might be easier for newer users. idk why everyone is so up in arms about it.

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      The quality and features of JellyFin are nowhere close to Plex. I have used both for years.

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        I’m in the same boat as you. I’d love to switch but the user experience of Jellyfin is still pretty bad outside the most basic cases. If you have a media center PC, it’s fine, but if you want to be able to switch between several devices the way you can with Netflix, it’s quite poor.

        Plex is slowly trending down and Jellyfin is slowly trending up. I hope Jellyfin outpaces Plex before the enshittification is complete, but it’s a steep hill to climb.

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          How does it not work for you? I use it on my phone, laptop, ipad, kodi, … without issues

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            Switching between wasn’t seamless, it kept forgetting where I left off on the last device, which was pretty annoying. Also, mobile/remote connectivity was spotty for me. Never got to the bottom of that, but my best guess is Plex’s relay system makes up for a lot of random network issues. My best work-around was to add my phone to tailscale, but obviously that’s not a great solution and won’t work for a lot of devices.

            Overall, my impression was that Plex is a lot more polished. I also bought a lifetime membership years ago, so I have no incentive to switch to something that isn’t better. Plex isn’t perfect, but it was still better than Jellyfin as of a few months ago. I honestly hope that changes soon, I have zero faith in Plex as a company.

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              The switching thing is really weird, for me it is always saved across devices and I can just play from where I was on the other device. But maybe that is a newer feature that wasn’t yet there when you tried it.

              Overall, my impression was that Plex is a lot more polished

              That I can understand, but with plex trying to be a streaming provider themselves, it makes it very confusing for not so tech-savvy people

              I also have a plex lifetime pass beacuse it was really the only option like 10 years ago and it was pretty solid. I run plex and jellyfin in parallel now and some of my friends use jellyfin, others plex. I myself almost only use jellyfin at the moment and it works pretty well for me

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          The big thing for me is privacy and control.

          Plex requires Cloud access via accounts.

          This is a sitting duck for subpoenas to mass punish media libraries once copyright holders get a more friendly government that cares less about citizens rights (which is coming up here soon).

          Nothing about my jelly fin instance leaks my information to anyone else’s servers.

          You can’t say the same about Plex.

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            I agree with you, however Jellyfin is not intrinsically more secure than any other piece of software. You have to be very careful how you go about deploying it if you open up external access, as you are dependent on the Jellyfin devs to fix vulnerabilities and they aren’t actually being paid to do this. If you’re paranoid about privacy, you should be paranoid about this too; the people sending subpoenas aren’t above port-scans on ISP subscribers, they did it back in the early days of torrents.

            You get control and privacy, but you also get responsibility. It’s a trade-off, and one I’d certainly make if Jellyfin were more mature. That’s just me though, I’ve been hosting my own stuff for about a decade now and I can set up an isolated environment for Jellyfin to run within. Plex is a lot more newbie-friendly and I’d still recommend it for most folks unless they for sure know what they’re doing.

            As an aside, these concerns are common to all FOSS software that don’t have deep-pocketed backers. Jellyfin is likely never getting those, unfortunately. I hope they can find some other way of sustaining themselves, they’ve not got much money for the scale of development needed and it’s all volunteer-driven today.

            https://opencollective.com/jellyfin

            I want them to keep going, and I’ve even donated to them. I still don’t think it’s at a place to replace Plex for most people yet though.

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              The way I do it with webservices is that I serve them all from virtual hosts. Scan my IP on port port 80? 301 moved permanently to same host port 443. 443? Welcome to nginx! Which webservice is actually served depends on the hostname being requested. The hostnames are just part of a wildcard subdomain with a matching wildcard certificate, so you can’t derive the hosts from the blank landing page’s cert. Though one option would be to disable https when no matching virtual host is found.

              I know this isn’t protection against sophisticated attackers, but nobody uses my home services except me when I’m not home so the exposure is very limited.

              Anyhow, with Plex you have a central provider who, if I’m not mistaken, knows a lot about how their customers use their product. The angle of attack is different.

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          Can you elaborate on how it’s poor in that regard? That’s how I and many of my friends use it, and none of us have had any issues relating to that.

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        Quality is fine, sounds like user error. Features sure, but that’s to be expected with a paid app.

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          Show me an AppleTV JellyFin client that “just works”. Something my mom & dad could use to watch a movie. Something that can do normal media player things like seeking or subtitles.

          There is a huge disparity in the quality, support, and features of the various clients.

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            I set my parents up with infuse and it works fine with no issues. To be fair apple doesn’t seem to be very supportive of foss development on their devices

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            I don’t use Apple products so I can’t speak to the AppleTV support.

            But your criticisms seem to be of clients for Jellyfin rather than Jellyfin itself.

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              They are effectively one and the same. You cannot use JellyFin without a client.

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                Right, but the clients I use don’t have these issues. Maybe there’s an issue with the AppleTV client, that’s fair criticism, but saying that Jellyfin has inferior quality is not accurate.

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      I jumped to linux and downloaded jellyfin… shit is too complicated I havent got time to get to terms with it

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        Are you using the LSIO docker image, or did you install it manually via the official website instructions?

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            There’s a much easier way.

            https://docs.linuxserver.io/images/docker-jellyfin/#usage

            Copy the text from the docker-compose section, and paste it into a file called compose.yaml

            You can also add your other programs which rely on each other (Sonarr/Radar/qBitttorrent) in this same compose.yaml file (you can find them on this website).

            When copying the other programs, omit the lines:

            ---
            Services:
            

            After that, in your terminal, navigate to where the compose.yaml file is, and run this command

            docker compose up -d
            

            Now your suite of applications are installed and can talk to each other.

            You’ll need to change some of the details of the compose file (to set timezones and media directories).

            You can restart programs with

            docker restart jellfin
            

            LinuxServer.io are basically your one-stop shop for home-server applications

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      I use JF. It’s ok but still rough around the edges and if we count as JF the apps, I have to admit that the Android TV app is pretty bad, it’s chokefull of very basic bugs, like crashing on start, and missing very basic features like delaying subtitles and the navigation is pretty bad, especially for TV show, navigating between series, episodes and home is a hot mess.

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      Is there a jellyfin app on the Xbox? The ps5? Roku TV app store?

      I think no so it’s hard to switch if you have family using many different devices to watch plex.

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        The UI for the Xbox app is rudimentary and a bit janky, but the performance is undeniably better than Plex. I have Plex and Jellyfin on the same machine, serving the same content, and Plex stutters often. It is especially bad when using subtitles. Jellyfin has no such issues.

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    Anyone that has tried the new version, does plex still make it really difficult to view your library by folder/file rather than by meta data?

    I use jellyfin because I can get a folder view.

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      I don’t think it ever did?

      Been using Plex 5 years now and all I had to do was click the view drop-down and select “folder view” instead of “collection view” and boom, done

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      Yeah I can’t see a file / folder view on the new client. Not that I saw one on the old android client either.

      Must admit the new app is more responsive than the old version on my P7P however having “new on XYZ” service that I don’t have is a shit addition to the new client.

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    I’ve liked the sound of Plex forever but after it taking years for the wife to finally be comfortable finding her way around Kodi I couldn’t really try it.

    Just last week I fancied a tinker & I’d heard Plex has potentially begun to enshittify so I ended up putting Jellyfin on our htpc just to test it. As well as all the usual groups, it was simple to create additional collections for stuff only the wife wants to see rather than things we’ll watch together. Within a day or so she’s already flying round it so we’ve pretty much moved to Jellyfin. It doesnt seem to like IR remote control like Kodi does which is a shame & I’m struggling a little with the live TV aspect which was also very straightforward on Kodi but I havent looked too closely into it yet.

    Overall very impressed with Jellyfin.

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      i use threadfin for managing m3u for jellyfin, if that’s how you’re doing live tv. as for the remote, I was looking into one of these FLIRC USB receivers recently… if i do it i’ll let you know how well it worked

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        Thanks for the info, I’ll look a little deeper into the live TV side of Jellyfin. Ive not heard of FLIRC USB before. Very interesting, I’d love to know how that goes, thank you

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        You made me do it, ive ordered one. Having spent money I guess that means we’re all in on Jellyfin now …but if its no good I’ll be sending the boys round for a full refund lol.

        Will keep you posted, might save you some money if you can hold out, cheers

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          haha cool, i only waited because i’m out of town for work at the moment. definitely curious about it! i’ve spent so much on hard drives i’m already all in, lol

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    If this turns out as bad as it seems then I’ll probably finally be leaving my lifetime Plex pass behind for jellyfin once it rolls out to the Android TV app.

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        Because it’s continuing the trend of focusing on live free channel streaming, finding things to watch on other streaming services, social media-esque interactions with other users, and other shit I don’t care about.

        I just want something that will stream my media from my NAS to whatever I’m trying to watch it on, and do it well.

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            If it does the basic things that I want it to do well without being surrounded by the bloat of useless profit-driven features, and it’s FOSS, then it isn’t inferior to me.

            The only meaningful update (to me) Plex has had in the past few years has been forcing everyone to switch from using TVDB to their inferior metadata agent.

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      It’s 2024 friend. There are no such things as good upgrades. Enshitification dominates every damn time.

      Looks like I’ll have to give jellyfin a go. I’ve been pleased with plex and haven’t yet had a good reason to transition (what can jellyfin do better than plex? )

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    None of the people I’ve added as friends ever use Plex. Feels stupid to have that in the UX, and I’m not even sharing what I’m watching with them.