With a push from President Donald Trump, House Republicans sent a budget blueprint to passage Tuesday, a step toward delivering his “big, beautiful bill” with $4.5 trillion in tax breaks.
You’re the one who bragged about your assets, then tried to pivot to wages when called out.
I wasn’t bragging. Someone asked me about my “self-reliance bs” and I explained to them how and why I think I live up to my version of that
The point is about systemic issues, not personal finances.
That Democrats still haven’t fixed, despite all their years in power. And if Trump is doing such terrible thigns, then in 4 years, you all can change everything back the way you want it.
This doesn’t fully reverse Trump’s corporate tax rate cut from 35% to 21%, but it does ensure the biggest companies pay at least 15%. Not perfect, but a step in the right direction.
Great! Then again, in 4 years, you guys can get voted back in and fix all that. So there ya go!
Because Democrats try to govern responsibly while Republicans obstruct then blame Democrats for not fixing the problems.
But if that was such a great idea, they they should have won the election. So maybe that’s now what people were wanting.
That Democrats still haven’t fixed, despite all their years in power. And if Trump is doing such terrible thigns, then in 4 years, you all can change everything back the way you want it.
Classic bad faith argument. You’re ignoring the structural hurdles I just explained about Manchin, Sinema, and GOP obstruction. As for “just wait 4 years” – that’s exactly the problem. The damage Trump does in 4 years will take decades to fix. You can’t just “change everything back” when you’ve gutted regulatory agencies, stacked courts with ideologues, and sold off public resources to private interests.
Great! Then again, in 4 years, you guys can get voted back in and fix all that. So there ya go!
Notice how you’ve completely abandoned defending Trump’s policies on their merits? You’re basically admitting they’re harmful but saying “who cares, we won.” This is exactly what I meant by “fuck you, I got mine” politics. You don’t care about making things better for everyone, just “winning.”
But if that was such a great idea, they they should have won the election. So maybe that’s now what people were wanting.
Again with this circular logic. Winning elections doesn’t prove your policies are better for people – it proves your messaging resonated emotionally. Most Trump voters can’t even name his specific policy positions beyond vague “make America great” rhetoric.
You’ve consistently dodged every substantive point about actual policy impacts. Instead, you fall back on “we won, so we must be right” – which is exactly the kind of shallow, tribal thinking that’s destroying any hope of productive political discourse in this country.
You’re ignoring the structural hurdles I just explained about Manchin, Sinema, and GOP obstruction
So how come the Democrats don’t create that sort of “obstruction” for the GOP?
The damage Trump did in 4 years will take decades to fix.
Seems like a better Dem presidential campaign should have fixed that. Seems like they may have failed you a bit in that respect.
Notice how you’ve completely abandoned defending Trump’s policies on their merits?
I’m not a fucking political strategist with a degree in political science. I don’t give a fuck. I like him. I like what he’s doing. And enough other people do, that they voted for him. Maybe take that into consideration
Instead, you fall back on “we won, so we must be right” – which is exactly the kind of shallow, tribal thinking that’s destroying any hope of productive political discourse in this country.
Says the guy who wants to turn a conservative community into a meme community and make fun of Republicans. So why would I take anything you are saying seriously? I mean, did making fun of republicans work for you all in the election?
All I see is you mocking people who don’t agree with you or who you deem to be too stupid to make the right choices.
I’ve seen some democrat strategists stay that the Dem downfall started by not taking republican voters seriously, and indeed mocking them, as a strong root cause of why you lost.
So do you think advocating making fun of Republicans rather than strengthing democratic community building is the best way to go?
Get da fuckouttahere with your “Oh you’re not having serious political discourse” bs, when you have made it your mission to make fun of republicans in a conservative community.
Now just becaue I point that out, don’t that you have really had a “gotcha” moment with me. Because I don’t really care THAT much.
In fact, I am exactly one of those who went by their gut, voted for Trump with glee just got get back and you all for mocking republicans.
Lemmy jerks making fun of every conservative was the in the forefront of my brain when I voted.
And no regrets at all. I’m happy to see it all burn down and start from scratch.
I’m not even a fucking republican. I’m an anarchist.
So how come the Democrats don’t create that sort of “obstruction” for the GOP?
Democrats aren’t saints, theyre imperfect allies at best But there’s a fundamental difference in approach. ds generally try to govern and pass legislation, while McConnell openly declared his primary goal was blocking Obama’s agenda. When Ds obstruct, it’s usually on specific harmful policies, not a total blanket refusal to let the other side accomplish anything. There’s a difference between principled opposition and sabotaging government function.
Seems like a better Dem presidential campaign should have fixed that. Seems like they may have failed you a bit in that respect.
Oh look, now you’re blaming Democrats for Republican destruction. Classic abuser logic: “Why did you make me hurt you?”
I’m not a fucking political strategist with a degree in political science. I don’t give a fuck. I like him. I like what he’s doing. And enough other people do, that they voted for him. Maybe take that into consideration
Finally some honesty! “I don’t give a fuck about policy” - we’ve reached the core of MAGA politics. You “like what he’s doing” but can’t defend any of it on substance. Pure emotion and tribalism.
Says the guy who wants to turn a conservative community into a meme community and make fun of Republicans.
Everyone needs spaces to vent and joke. Conservatives have entire media empires dedicated to spreading their misinformation and conspiracy theories. Fox News, OAN, countless Facebook groups and Telegram channels, even Lemmy instances, yet you’re mad about some memes on Lemmy who hasn’t even broken 50k MAUs?
I’ve seen some democrat strategists stay that the Dem downfall started by not taking republican voters seriously, and indeed mocking them, as a strong root cause of why you lost.
The idea that Democrats lost because we weren’t nice enough to people actively supporting policies that harm vulnerable communities is laughable. “I voted to take away healthcare from millions because someone was mean to me online” isn’t the flex you think it is.
IN fact, I am exactly one of those who went by their gut, voted for Trump with glee just got get back and you all for mocking republicans.
So you’re admitting you voted to hurt people out of spite? And somehow we’re the bad guys for making memes?
I’m not even a fucking republican. I’m an anarchist.
No actual anarchist would support the most authoritarian president in modern history. You’re not an anarchist; you’re just angry and nihilistic.
You all deserve Trump.
And there it is. The mask comes off. This was never about policy or principles. It’s about hurting people you don’t like. Thanks for finally being honest about it.
Finally some honesty! “I don’t give a fuck about policy” - we’ve reached the core of MAGA politics.
so you think every fucking democrat on Lemmy is some political Philosophy input and is as fucking nerdy about politics as you are? Get the fuck outta here with that.
Again, a perfect example of why you all lost. You insist that everyone has to be at your level of intelligence or they are not worth anything.
Keep it up. You’ll lose the next election too. And I’ll laugh again.
You’re not an anarchist; you’re just angry and nihilistic.
I’m not angry at all. I’m having a fucking great time. You are angry. I’m not. At all.
And there it is. The mask comes off. It’s about hurting people you don’t like.
Guess Lemmy shouldn’t be so quick to do jerky things like turn conservative communities into meme communites that make fun of conservatives.
How that work out in the last election?
I never wore a mask. I have no desire to hurt people. But I do love how shocked you all were that your holier-than-thou attitude didn’t win any elections.
And here’s the thing. I think you actually know a lot of it was how democrat attitudes are percieved. Like you said, elections are won just by policy. It’s people skills.
Maybe all the fed people laid off can “learn to code.” You all will totally help them out! No worries.
You fucking laugh and mock people who aren’t in your little bubble. Now you can handle what the results of that is.
Rather than just wait/ask that a good conservative mod comes, you decide to mock conservatives. Just like what you are doing with this community.
I promise you this: Whether I am on Lemmy or not, banned or not, I will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democrat. Because of what I have seen on here. I would rather watch the world burn down and start from sticks and stones.
You specifically mock and make fun of people who aren’t in your little circle. And take glee in the mocking.
YOU, yes, YOU deserve Trump. And I will fucking laugh about it every single day until Trump leaves office.
Nah, I’m not mad. I’m laughing and I feel like it’s totally just that you all got your asses handed to you.
so you think every fucking democrat on Lemmy is some political Philosophy input and is as fucking nerdy about politics as you are?
No, but most people who vote care about at least some policies that affect their lives. You’ve spent this entire conversation dodging every policy point while openly declaring vote purely based on spite. Huge difference.
You insist that everyone has to be at your level of intelligence or they are not worth anything.
Never said that. I said policy matters more than tribal politics. You’re the one who keeps bringing up intelligence, which is telling. Nobody said you need a PHD level understanding of politics, just reading up on the policies themselves should not be that huge of an ask.
I’m not angry at all. I’m having a fucking great time.
Your all-caps rants, excessive swearing, and “I will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democrat” suggest otherwise. People having a great time don’t usually type like they’re screaming or have to constantly say “I’m not mad” who are you trying to convince?
Guess Lemmy shouldn’t be so quick to do jerky things like turn conservative communities into meme communites that make fun of conservatives.
You’re still hung up on a meme community while openly supporting politicians who are actively stripping rights from marginalized people. One of these things is not like the other.
Rather than just wait/ask that a good conservative mod comes, you decide to mock conservatives.
There’s a difference between mocking harmful ideas and mocking people. Conservative policies have real, harmful impacts on vulnerable communities. That deserves criticism, and memes are a form of criticism.
I would rather watch the world burn down and start from sticks and stones.
And there it is again. You claim you “have no desire to hurt people” then immediately say you’d rather see the world burn than vote for someone who might help others. The contradiction is stunning.
Your all-caps rants, excessive swearing, and “I will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democrat” suggest otherwise.
Nope. lol
You’re still hung up on a meme community while openly supporting politicians who are actively stripping rights from marginalized people.
Not hung up on it all. It’s just that it shows how much you aren’t to be taken seriously–you are just anti-republican, regardless of policy. You don’t take me seriously and I certainly don’t take you seriously.
There’s a difference between mocking harmful ideas and mocking people.
And you actually mock people.
Conservative policies have real, harmful impacts on vulnerable communities.
In your opinion. But you didn’t win the election, so not everyone agrees with you.
There was a criticism of your actions not fitting the spirit of the community by you wanting to take it over. And you replied that there was no Lemmy rule that you had to follow the spirit of a community that you took over.
Which means that you have no intention on letting conservative voices be heard.
So following your logic, there is no Lemmy rule that I have to defend every news article I post. I post links to news articles. Nothing makes you click on them. I have every right to do it and I will continue to do it.
You lost. That’s it. Lemmy’s opinion isn’t shared by the majority of the public.
You keep posting jokes, and I’ll keep posting articles. Let’s see which party wins the next election.
Not hung up on it all. It’s just that it shows how much you aren’t to be taken seriously–you are just anti-republican, regardless of policy.
I’ve repeatedly tried to discuss specific policies throughout this entire conversation. You’re the one who admitted “I don’t give a fuck” about policy and just “like Trump.” The projection is astounding.
And you actually mock people.
Says the person who’s spent this entire thread mocking “Lemmy jerks” and celebrating others’ suffering.
In your opinion. But you didn’t win the election, so not everyone agrees with you.
Electoral victory doesn’t determine objective reality. Policies that remove healthcare, cut food assistance, and target marginalized groups cause measurable harm regardless of how many people voted for them. That’s not opinion its documented fact.
Which means that you have no intention on letting conservative voices be heard.
Conservative voices are heard everywhere Faux News, OAN, Congress, the White House, the Supreme Court, Truth Social. The idea that conservatives are being silenced while controlling most levels of government is absurd victimhood.
So following your logic, there is no Lemmy rule that I have to defend every news article I post.
Post whatever you want. Just don’t be surprised when people call out misinformation or propaganda.
You lost. That’s it. Lemmy’s opinion isn’t shared by the majority of the public.
You keep coming back to “you lost” like it’s some devastating gotcha. Electoral outcomes don’t determine moral rightness. Segregation was once popular to.
You keep posting jokes, and I’ll keep posting articles. Let’s see which party wins the next election.
And there it is you’ve reduced politics to a team sport (yet again) where “winning” matters more than the actual impact on people’s lives
I wasn’t bragging. Someone asked me about my “self-reliance bs” and I explained to them how and why I think I live up to my version of that
That Democrats still haven’t fixed, despite all their years in power. And if Trump is doing such terrible thigns, then in 4 years, you all can change everything back the way you want it.
Great! Then again, in 4 years, you guys can get voted back in and fix all that. So there ya go!
But if that was such a great idea, they they should have won the election. So maybe that’s now what people were wanting.
Classic bad faith argument. You’re ignoring the structural hurdles I just explained about Manchin, Sinema, and GOP obstruction. As for “just wait 4 years” – that’s exactly the problem. The damage Trump does in 4 years will take decades to fix. You can’t just “change everything back” when you’ve gutted regulatory agencies, stacked courts with ideologues, and sold off public resources to private interests.
Notice how you’ve completely abandoned defending Trump’s policies on their merits? You’re basically admitting they’re harmful but saying “who cares, we won.” This is exactly what I meant by “fuck you, I got mine” politics. You don’t care about making things better for everyone, just “winning.”
Again with this circular logic. Winning elections doesn’t prove your policies are better for people – it proves your messaging resonated emotionally. Most Trump voters can’t even name his specific policy positions beyond vague “make America great” rhetoric.
You’ve consistently dodged every substantive point about actual policy impacts. Instead, you fall back on “we won, so we must be right” – which is exactly the kind of shallow, tribal thinking that’s destroying any hope of productive political discourse in this country.
So how come the Democrats don’t create that sort of “obstruction” for the GOP?
Seems like a better Dem presidential campaign should have fixed that. Seems like they may have failed you a bit in that respect.
I’m not a fucking political strategist with a degree in political science. I don’t give a fuck. I like him. I like what he’s doing. And enough other people do, that they voted for him. Maybe take that into consideration
Says the guy who wants to turn a conservative community into a meme community and make fun of Republicans. So why would I take anything you are saying seriously? I mean, did making fun of republicans work for you all in the election?
All I see is you mocking people who don’t agree with you or who you deem to be too stupid to make the right choices.
I’ve seen some democrat strategists stay that the Dem downfall started by not taking republican voters seriously, and indeed mocking them, as a strong root cause of why you lost.
So do you think advocating making fun of Republicans rather than strengthing democratic community building is the best way to go?
Get da fuckouttahere with your “Oh you’re not having serious political discourse” bs, when you have made it your mission to make fun of republicans in a conservative community.
Now just becaue I point that out, don’t that you have really had a “gotcha” moment with me. Because I don’t really care THAT much.
In fact, I am exactly one of those who went by their gut, voted for Trump with glee just got get back and you all for mocking republicans.
Lemmy jerks making fun of every conservative was the in the forefront of my brain when I voted.
And no regrets at all. I’m happy to see it all burn down and start from scratch.
I’m not even a fucking republican. I’m an anarchist.
You all deserve Trump.
Democrats aren’t saints, theyre imperfect allies at best But there’s a fundamental difference in approach. ds generally try to govern and pass legislation, while McConnell openly declared his primary goal was blocking Obama’s agenda. When Ds obstruct, it’s usually on specific harmful policies, not a total blanket refusal to let the other side accomplish anything. There’s a difference between principled opposition and sabotaging government function.
Oh look, now you’re blaming Democrats for Republican destruction. Classic abuser logic: “Why did you make me hurt you?”
Finally some honesty! “I don’t give a fuck about policy” - we’ve reached the core of MAGA politics. You “like what he’s doing” but can’t defend any of it on substance. Pure emotion and tribalism.
Everyone needs spaces to vent and joke. Conservatives have entire media empires dedicated to spreading their misinformation and conspiracy theories. Fox News, OAN, countless Facebook groups and Telegram channels, even Lemmy instances, yet you’re mad about some memes on Lemmy who hasn’t even broken 50k MAUs?
The idea that Democrats lost because we weren’t nice enough to people actively supporting policies that harm vulnerable communities is laughable. “I voted to take away healthcare from millions because someone was mean to me online” isn’t the flex you think it is.
So you’re admitting you voted to hurt people out of spite? And somehow we’re the bad guys for making memes?
No actual anarchist would support the most authoritarian president in modern history. You’re not an anarchist; you’re just angry and nihilistic.
And there it is. The mask comes off. This was never about policy or principles. It’s about hurting people you don’t like. Thanks for finally being honest about it.
so you think every fucking democrat on Lemmy is some political Philosophy input and is as fucking nerdy about politics as you are? Get the fuck outta here with that.
Again, a perfect example of why you all lost. You insist that everyone has to be at your level of intelligence or they are not worth anything.
Keep it up. You’ll lose the next election too. And I’ll laugh again.
I’m not angry at all. I’m having a fucking great time. You are angry. I’m not. At all.
Guess Lemmy shouldn’t be so quick to do jerky things like turn conservative communities into meme communites that make fun of conservatives.
How that work out in the last election?
I never wore a mask. I have no desire to hurt people. But I do love how shocked you all were that your holier-than-thou attitude didn’t win any elections.
And here’s the thing. I think you actually know a lot of it was how democrat attitudes are percieved. Like you said, elections are won just by policy. It’s people skills.
Maybe all the fed people laid off can “learn to code.” You all will totally help them out! No worries.
You fucking laugh and mock people who aren’t in your little bubble. Now you can handle what the results of that is.
Rather than just wait/ask that a good conservative mod comes, you decide to mock conservatives. Just like what you are doing with this community.
I promise you this: Whether I am on Lemmy or not, banned or not, I will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democrat. Because of what I have seen on here. I would rather watch the world burn down and start from sticks and stones.
You specifically mock and make fun of people who aren’t in your little circle. And take glee in the mocking.
YOU, yes, YOU deserve Trump. And I will fucking laugh about it every single day until Trump leaves office.
Nah, I’m not mad. I’m laughing and I feel like it’s totally just that you all got your asses handed to you.
No, but most people who vote care about at least some policies that affect their lives. You’ve spent this entire conversation dodging every policy point while openly declaring vote purely based on spite. Huge difference.
Never said that. I said policy matters more than tribal politics. You’re the one who keeps bringing up intelligence, which is telling. Nobody said you need a PHD level understanding of politics, just reading up on the policies themselves should not be that huge of an ask.
Your all-caps rants, excessive swearing, and “I will never ever ever EVER vote for a Democrat” suggest otherwise. People having a great time don’t usually type like they’re screaming or have to constantly say “I’m not mad” who are you trying to convince?
You’re still hung up on a meme community while openly supporting politicians who are actively stripping rights from marginalized people. One of these things is not like the other.
There’s a difference between mocking harmful ideas and mocking people. Conservative policies have real, harmful impacts on vulnerable communities. That deserves criticism, and memes are a form of criticism.
And there it is again. You claim you “have no desire to hurt people” then immediately say you’d rather see the world burn than vote for someone who might help others. The contradiction is stunning.
Nope. lol
Not hung up on it all. It’s just that it shows how much you aren’t to be taken seriously–you are just anti-republican, regardless of policy. You don’t take me seriously and I certainly don’t take you seriously.
And you actually mock people.
In your opinion. But you didn’t win the election, so not everyone agrees with you.
There was a criticism of your actions not fitting the spirit of the community by you wanting to take it over. And you replied that there was no Lemmy rule that you had to follow the spirit of a community that you took over.
Which means that you have no intention on letting conservative voices be heard.
So following your logic, there is no Lemmy rule that I have to defend every news article I post. I post links to news articles. Nothing makes you click on them. I have every right to do it and I will continue to do it.
You lost. That’s it. Lemmy’s opinion isn’t shared by the majority of the public.
You keep posting jokes, and I’ll keep posting articles. Let’s see which party wins the next election.
Great counterargument. Very convincing.
I’ve repeatedly tried to discuss specific policies throughout this entire conversation. You’re the one who admitted “I don’t give a fuck” about policy and just “like Trump.” The projection is astounding.
Says the person who’s spent this entire thread mocking “Lemmy jerks” and celebrating others’ suffering.
Electoral victory doesn’t determine objective reality. Policies that remove healthcare, cut food assistance, and target marginalized groups cause measurable harm regardless of how many people voted for them. That’s not opinion its documented fact.
Conservative voices are heard everywhere Faux News, OAN, Congress, the White House, the Supreme Court, Truth Social. The idea that conservatives are being silenced while controlling most levels of government is absurd victimhood.
Post whatever you want. Just don’t be surprised when people call out misinformation or propaganda.
You keep coming back to “you lost” like it’s some devastating gotcha. Electoral outcomes don’t determine moral rightness. Segregation was once popular to.
And there it is you’ve reduced politics to a team sport (yet again) where “winning” matters more than the actual impact on people’s lives
When have I ever celebated “suffering”?
But it’s your OPINION. Some don’t agree with you and they have their own moral rightness.
Like I said, you gone and keep posting your memes. I’ll keep posting links to news articles. And we’ll see who wins next election.