Communism is not a good economic model, but “communism has killed millions” is such a bad faith argument. First off, Capitalism has killed BILLIONS (see the automobile industry and military industrial complex) but I have yet to see anyone talk about this. I also don’t see you putting capitalist on the same level as Nazis
At a certain point, we have to be real about what’s going on. People acting in bad faith, no matter their affiliation, need to be outcast. Trying to tow some imaginary line is a complete waste of time
It is not “a bad faith argument”, it’s the truth. Capitalism has been “in force” since ancient times. Where there is money and private ownership, there is capitalism. And yeah, communism has killed more people than nazis ever did, not that it is a contest. The reality is people who have never had anything to do with communism romanticize it as some great solution that solves every problem, when in reality it results in murderous regimes that oppress their people, their neighbors and everyone else there is to oppress.
I never said it wasn’t the truth, I said it was a bad faith argument. You’re bringing up the death-toll from Communism to call them Nazi-equivalents while ignoring the significantly higher death-toll from Capitalism. This is the textbook definition of deflection.
The actual reality is that, no matter what economic system you follow, if you want to kill and oppress people; you will kill and oppress people. Nazis are very clear that they want to kill and oppress people.
There are people that romanticize Communism, I do not (as I’ve said, it’s not a good system). I can still see that Communism is not calling for the death of others for social stability, even if Mao/Stalin/Putin/Xi themselves are.
You are confused about what point you are trying to make. Communists have killed millions. So have nazis. Nazis aren’t welcome because of that. Neither should communists. You launching into a tirade about capitalism is changing the subject and actually strawmanning.
You are confused about what point you are trying to make. Capitalists have killed billions. So have nazis. Nazis aren’t welcome because of that. Neither should capitalists. You launching into a tirade about communism is changing the subject and actually strawmanning.
If you cannot see the point after this, it’s beyond saving.
Wow, now we have reached alternate history levels of bullshit I see. Good job using my comment and thinking it’s a “gotcha”. Maybe I should respond back and replace with “gazillions”.
Common sense is not a “gotcha”, its common sense. I don’t know why everyone thinks this a win/lose thing.
You can find many mass killings from capitalist regimes too, its just a very pointless thing to bring up. Nazis do not care how you trade your goods. You have Capitalist-Nazis, Communist-Nazis, and Anarcho-Nazis. They are all Nazis and are not welcome.
Equating a Communist to a Nazi is total horseshit. You can also equate a Capitalist to a Nazi. Or an alien to a Nazi. But its a completely bad faith and ridiculous claim. Convo ends here - done engaging.
Convo ends here because you lack arguments. Because contrary to what you want, there is no alternate history and communism was just as shit as nazism was.
Communism is not a good economic model, but “communism has killed millions” is such a bad faith argument. First off, Capitalism has killed BILLIONS (see the automobile industry and military industrial complex) but I have yet to see anyone talk about this. I also don’t see you putting capitalist on the same level as Nazis
At a certain point, we have to be real about what’s going on. People acting in bad faith, no matter their affiliation, need to be outcast. Trying to tow some imaginary line is a complete waste of time
It is not “a bad faith argument”, it’s the truth. Capitalism has been “in force” since ancient times. Where there is money and private ownership, there is capitalism. And yeah, communism has killed more people than nazis ever did, not that it is a contest. The reality is people who have never had anything to do with communism romanticize it as some great solution that solves every problem, when in reality it results in murderous regimes that oppress their people, their neighbors and everyone else there is to oppress.
Huh TIL that the USA is communist.
USA isn’t communist and I have no idea where you got that from.
I never said it wasn’t the truth, I said it was a bad faith argument. You’re bringing up the death-toll from Communism to call them Nazi-equivalents while ignoring the significantly higher death-toll from Capitalism. This is the textbook definition of deflection.
The actual reality is that, no matter what economic system you follow, if you want to kill and oppress people; you will kill and oppress people. Nazis are very clear that they want to kill and oppress people.
There are people that romanticize Communism, I do not (as I’ve said, it’s not a good system). I can still see that Communism is not calling for the death of others for social stability, even if Mao/Stalin/Putin/Xi themselves are.
You are confused about what point you are trying to make. Communists have killed millions. So have nazis. Nazis aren’t welcome because of that. Neither should communists. You launching into a tirade about capitalism is changing the subject and actually strawmanning.
You are confused about what point you are trying to make. Capitalists have killed billions. So have nazis. Nazis aren’t welcome because of that. Neither should capitalists. You launching into a tirade about communism is changing the subject and actually strawmanning.
If you cannot see the point after this, it’s beyond saving.
Wow, now we have reached alternate history levels of bullshit I see. Good job using my comment and thinking it’s a “gotcha”. Maybe I should respond back and replace with “gazillions”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
Here, read up.
Common sense is not a “gotcha”, its common sense. I don’t know why everyone thinks this a win/lose thing.
You can find many mass killings from capitalist regimes too, its just a very pointless thing to bring up. Nazis do not care how you trade your goods. You have Capitalist-Nazis, Communist-Nazis, and Anarcho-Nazis. They are all Nazis and are not welcome.
Equating a Communist to a Nazi is total horseshit. You can also equate a Capitalist to a Nazi. Or an alien to a Nazi. But its a completely bad faith and ridiculous claim. Convo ends here - done engaging.
Convo ends here because you lack arguments. Because contrary to what you want, there is no alternate history and communism was just as shit as nazism was.