Yeah “lame” and “dumb” just have new meanings and their old ones are largely forgotten. Their new meanings have entirely new context that surrounds them. To me, who has a disability that affects my legs, lame isn’t an ableist word anymore. It has evolved into something entirely new
You can play this game with almost quite literally every term you could use in this context. Idiot was at one time a term for someone so profoundly mentally impaired that their “mental age” was said to be no more than two years old. What is now known as the “r-slur” was literally introduced as a kinder, more polite alternative to words like idiot, moron, and imbecile because they were seen as too derogatory. Only to be later retired when it began to itself be seen as too derogatory.
It’s referred to as the Euphemism Treadmill. People create some euphemism to refer to some unpleasant topic. Eventually that term becomes basically tainted by its association to that topic and itself becomes unpleasant, then a new euphemism gets created.
When it comes to ableism it’s often the case that those wishing to be ableist will directly start using the new euphemism in a derogatory manner because they feel the old one has lost its “punch” so to speak. There’s a certain aspect of weaponizing the “correct terminology” that is itself the appeal to many of them.
I’m not trying to say you are. Nor am I trying to attack you for wanting to change the words you use to avoid hurting people. Not wanting to hurt people is a good thing. The point is that the words themselves aren’t the problem. The actual stigma that fuels ableism is. As I said there was a time when what we now know as the r-slur was the attempt to destigmatize those kinds of mental disabilities. In time it’s entirely likely that some or all of today’s inclusive language might be seen as too derogatory and something different will take its place.
There will always be bad actors who seek to misuse that desire to not hurt others. Whether that’s the person willfully twisting the language that tries to destigmatize into something that hurts, or someone being performatively offended by someone not using the exact correct terminology and implying their own moral superiority.
The point is that at a certain point policing language does nothing to combat ableism. Relabeling a thing on its own tends to do very little to lessen the stigma of that thing.
Friend, you acting like this is something icky that we shouldn’t talk about is stigma. I’m not trying to police your speech. I am trying to get you to think more about why you are policing yours and whether or not it is actually helping.
Without that, your “act of solidarity” is just blind aesthetics and does nothing to actually address the stigma that disabled people like myself and my kids face. Treating us like something unpleasant that is only allowed to be talked about in very specific approved terminology is literally stigmatizing us.
I’m aware of what Solidarity is. I can also just link things, try “Aesthetic Activism.”
It makes you and a handful of people feel better that you’re using “inoffensive terms” in your “funny meme” and that’s it. I’m glad it makes some people feel better. But is that all your “solidarity” amounts to? Changing a word in a meme that it’s entirely possible the only people complaining about are being performatively outraged to rep their own “anti-ableism activism” bona fides?
Again I’ll reiterate. If you feel that the existence of myself and my children is something so icky that it is only allowed to be talked about in very precise, sanitized, inoffensive terms, how is that meaningfully better than the ableist who just calls us a bunch of r-slurs and leaves? How is your “solidarity” meaningfully different from just saying “Oh yeah, there’s something wrong with them. But you can’t say it that way?”
The “N-word” has been reclaimed, does that mean it’s okay to use it?
At the end of the day, it’s an emotional argument not a rational one. If the common parlance does not see it as a targeted attack on a vulnerable population, and there’s no tangible detriment to be found… what’s the point in making hay about it other than for hays sake?
Maybe they just don’t like you, or think you pander too much. It’s really hard to say when someone just pushes the disagree button instead of expressing their feelings.
If you don’t want to use language that can hurt, then you shouldn’t use any language at all. Anyone can take umbrage to anything for any reason, that’s the beauty of free will. The problem is that far too many people find power in being offended and hurt, even there was nothing hurtful intended. If you refuse to say anything that could offend, you will never say anything meaningful at all.
I don’t see anything when going to the comment moderation history on lemmy.world, nor do I see that option at all when going to the comment on ani.social.
That’s fine, you do you. I don’t want anyone to feel marginalized either. I’m just genuinely surprised anyone had issue with “dumb”. That’s a first for me. I assumed that battle was long lost.
But my point is, “dumb” was once ableist language. I won’t use the r-word, but I’ve never heard anyone be offended by “lame”
Yeah “lame” and “dumb” just have new meanings and their old ones are largely forgotten. Their new meanings have entirely new context that surrounds them. To me, who has a disability that affects my legs, lame isn’t an ableist word anymore. It has evolved into something entirely new
The people insulted by those derogatories never reclaimed those insults, thus we shouldn’t use them.
e.g., «Queer» was a slur, but it’s been reclaimed. I’m fine being called queer today, endearingly, but I would never use it as a slur.
5 people got offended enough to say to me NOT to use «dumb». I don’t think physically disabled people should be called “lame” either.
You can play this game with almost quite literally every term you could use in this context. Idiot was at one time a term for someone so profoundly mentally impaired that their “mental age” was said to be no more than two years old. What is now known as the “r-slur” was literally introduced as a kinder, more polite alternative to words like idiot, moron, and imbecile because they were seen as too derogatory. Only to be later retired when it began to itself be seen as too derogatory.
It’s referred to as the Euphemism Treadmill. People create some euphemism to refer to some unpleasant topic. Eventually that term becomes basically tainted by its association to that topic and itself becomes unpleasant, then a new euphemism gets created.
When it comes to ableism it’s often the case that those wishing to be ableist will directly start using the new euphemism in a derogatory manner because they feel the old one has lost its “punch” so to speak. There’s a certain aspect of weaponizing the “correct terminology” that is itself the appeal to many of them.
I want to share something I found funny, without hurting others I accidentally already hurt. I do not intend to weaponize words.
Shove your rhetorical game off my humorous meme.
I’m not trying to say you are. Nor am I trying to attack you for wanting to change the words you use to avoid hurting people. Not wanting to hurt people is a good thing. The point is that the words themselves aren’t the problem. The actual stigma that fuels ableism is. As I said there was a time when what we now know as the r-slur was the attempt to destigmatize those kinds of mental disabilities. In time it’s entirely likely that some or all of today’s inclusive language might be seen as too derogatory and something different will take its place.
There will always be bad actors who seek to misuse that desire to not hurt others. Whether that’s the person willfully twisting the language that tries to destigmatize into something that hurts, or someone being performatively offended by someone not using the exact correct terminology and implying their own moral superiority.
The point is that at a certain point policing language does nothing to combat ableism. Relabeling a thing on its own tends to do very little to lessen the stigma of that thing.
Stop trying to restigmatize my act of solidarity.
Play your policing game elsewhere.
Friend, you acting like this is something icky that we shouldn’t talk about is stigma. I’m not trying to police your speech. I am trying to get you to think more about why you are policing yours and whether or not it is actually helping.
Without that, your “act of solidarity” is just blind aesthetics and does nothing to actually address the stigma that disabled people like myself and my kids face. Treating us like something unpleasant that is only allowed to be talked about in very specific approved terminology is literally stigmatizing us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity
I’m aware of what Solidarity is. I can also just link things, try “Aesthetic Activism.”
It makes you and a handful of people feel better that you’re using “inoffensive terms” in your “funny meme” and that’s it. I’m glad it makes some people feel better. But is that all your “solidarity” amounts to? Changing a word in a meme that it’s entirely possible the only people complaining about are being performatively outraged to rep their own “anti-ableism activism” bona fides?
Again I’ll reiterate. If you feel that the existence of myself and my children is something so icky that it is only allowed to be talked about in very precise, sanitized, inoffensive terms, how is that meaningfully better than the ableist who just calls us a bunch of r-slurs and leaves? How is your “solidarity” meaningfully different from just saying “Oh yeah, there’s something wrong with them. But you can’t say it that way?”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot
The “N-word” has been reclaimed, does that mean it’s okay to use it?
At the end of the day, it’s an emotional argument not a rational one. If the common parlance does not see it as a targeted attack on a vulnerable population, and there’s no tangible detriment to be found… what’s the point in making hay about it other than for hays sake?
Its time to take it back
No they didn’t
Then why was I casted 5 downvotes?
You’d have to ask the people that downvoted you.
Maybe they just don’t like you, or think you pander too much. It’s really hard to say when someone just pushes the disagree button instead of expressing their feelings.
That’s fine.
I’ll still refuse to insult people, and use language that can hurt.
You can can ask others how they feel about “lame.” I rather use substitutes.
If you don’t want to use language that can hurt, then you shouldn’t use any language at all. Anyone can take umbrage to anything for any reason, that’s the beauty of free will. The problem is that far too many people find power in being offended and hurt, even there was nothing hurtful intended. If you refuse to say anything that could offend, you will never say anything meaningful at all.
Because you used a meme that had “retard” in it, not “dumb”. Correct?
I’m not colin in the other thread. Click on «Comment Moderation History» to see my prior attachment on the downvoted post.
I don’t see anything when going to the comment moderation history on lemmy.world, nor do I see that option at all when going to the comment on ani.social.
Are you telling me you had a comment removed for using the word “dumb”?
I removed my downvoted comment for having the word «dumb». Ask @jerkface@lemmy.ca how my response felt in my immediate act of solidarity.
That’s fine, you do you. I don’t want anyone to feel marginalized either. I’m just genuinely surprised anyone had issue with “dumb”. That’s a first for me. I assumed that battle was long lost.