What are people’s thoughts here? I could understand removing all the lolly flavours and regulating like other tobacco products. I am an ex-smoker but I personally feel like this is govt over-reach. That might be an out-dated mindset of my time & generation (genX), however. So I’m interested to get some insight into how the broader population view this issue, particularly the younger generations, in both an overall opinion, but also in regards to such govt controls of recreational substances vs an individual’s right of freedom to choose.
I don’t see them as any different to cigarettes personally. Just one more way for giant corporations to get people hooked on addictive shit with no upside. Fuck Jool. Fuck Philip Morris.
These companies spend millions knowingly breaking the law over and over and then get to keep operating regardless? Their executives should be in prison.
Vaping becoming socially acceptable and widespread has been fucking annoying as an asthmatic, so I am please to see that we’re entering a period where the health risks are being better examined and governments are starting to regulate. Social policymaking is always difficult, but it’s a start and hopefully can be improved and refined in the future. A solution having potentially unintended consequences is not a reason to avoid attempting to solve the problem altogether. I also don’t buy this libertarian “any restriction of my freedom is bad” argument when the behaviour in question is anti-social and harmful.
Is it worse than actual smoking, though?
A study measuring the aerosols from two vape users and comparing it with secondhand cigarette smoke found vapes produced a much lower level of ultrafine particles, but a much higher level of nanoparticles. It is not clear what risk these pose. Another study found vape use increased fine particles in a room’s air.
From SMH: Is secondhand vaping a growing threat or ‘fake news’?
It would seem the science is still not in on just how dangerous it is, but further in the article it says:
The question, says Demaio, is whether we should wait for conclusive evidence before taking action.
“We don’t have any long-term studies on the safety of these products, or on the safety of secondhand exposure. It took us 20 years to realise it [tobacco] was causing damage in the next generation of kids who were living with others who smoked.
“My worry is we take another two or three decades to realise the same thing.”
Not as far as I’m aware, but vapes can also contain different chemicals that may contribute towards different types of health conditions. More research is needed on the long-term effects I think (which can only come with time). One thing I have definitely noticed among people I know who vape and/or smoke is that the vaping is constant and done everywhere and anywhere, whereas smoking is far less common and will be something that people remove themselves from a group to do (outside and further away). Vapers are far less considerate of others and vape more because they believe it’s less harmful, which increases the level of harm. So in that sense, I think government policy is also important here to signal that vaping is not harmless so that we can start changing the culture around it like was done with smoking many decades ago.
Yeah, I don’t see why they shouldn’t be treated exactly like cigarettes.
From October that’ll pretty much be the case, except only purchasable at a pharmacy. I can’t see why they shouldn’t be sold at servos, etc., but I don’t think it’s a massive problem in terms of personal freedoms. It’ll give pharmacies a cash boost, and maybe even cause expansion of their opening hours in some cases, which could be helpful.
In any case, I think that the deal the Greens got is probably the best one Labor were ever going to give.
I’m not sure I understand the Greens position on vapes. Are they pro-tobacco or something? or is it about creating a black market?
The Greens have always been against prohibition more broadly, but they can articulate their reasoning better than I can: https://greens.org.au/news/media-release/greens-secure-amendments-vaping-legislation-and-will-support-passage-through
Thanks for linking that, their position makes a bit more sense now, at least by restricting them to pharmacies there won’t be as much of a black market
Overreaching religious boomers dictating to others how they should live their lives… Fuck em… Sucked in you just made another lucrative black market ya dumb fux
Are you saying that vaping is a good thing and a net positive?
I agree that it will further worsen the black market surrounding these products (just as the exorbitant ciggie tax has increased the illegal import of cigarettes that are not regulated.) A bunch of businesses will basically be shut down because of this … they can’t exactly pivot to something else. If they wanted to sell cigarettes they would have been doing so already.
A bunch of businesses will basically be shut down because of this … they can’t exactly pivot to something else
It’s a damn shame too - I don’t know what we’ll do without all those businesses built around exploiting drug addicts
And that’s a fair point to make but also one that now places Pharmacists in that role.
Not exactly, as they won’t be promoting the vapes as they’ll be plainly packaged and they’ll be heavily regulated. They will still profit but not encouraging it
