• ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Regulate? This is what lead AI companies are pushing for, they would pass the bureaucracy but not the competitors.

    I was referring to this in my comment:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/big-beautiful-bill-ai-moratorium-ted-cruz-pass-vote-rcna215111

    Congress decided to not go through with the AI-law moratorium. Instead they opted to do nothing, which is what AI companies would prefer states would do. Not to mention the pro-AI argument appeals to the judgement of Putin, notorious for being surrounded by yes-men and his own state propaganda. And the genocide of Ukrainians in pursuit of the conquest of Europe.

    “There’s growing recognition that the current patchwork approach to regulating AI isn’t working and will continue to worsen if we stay on this path,” OpenAI’s chief global affairs officer, Chris Lehane, wrote on LinkedIn. “While not someone I’d typically quote, Vladimir Putin has said that whoever prevails will determine the direction of the world going forward.”

    The shit just needs to be forced to opensource. If you steal the content from entire world to build a thinking machine - give back to the world.

    The problem is unlike Robin Hood, AI stole from the people and gave to the rich. The intellectual property of artists and writers were stolen and the only way to give it back is to compensate them, which is currently unlikely to happen. Letting everyone see how the theft machine works under the hood doesn’t provide compensation for the usage of that intellectual property.

    This would also crash the bubble and would slow down any of the most unethical for-profits.

    Not really. It would let more people get it on it. And most tech companies are already in on it. This wouldn’t impose any costs on AI development. At this point the speculation is primarily on what comes next. If open source would burst the bubble it would have happened when DeepSeek was released. We’re still talking about the bubble bursting in the future so that clearly didn’t happen.

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      Forced opensourcing would totally destroy the profits, cause you spend money on research and then you opensource, so anyone can just grab your model and don’t pay you a cent. Where would the profits come from?

      IP of writers

      I mean yes, and? AI is still shitty at creative writing. Unlike with images, it’s not like people oneshot a decent book.

      give it to the rich

      We should push to make high-vram devices accessible. This is literally about means of production - we should fight for equal access. Regulation is the reverse of that, give those megacorps the unique ability to run it because others are too stupid to control it.

      OpenAI

      They were the most notorious proponents of the regulations. Lots of talks with openai devs where they just doomsay about the dangers of AGI, and how it must be top secret controlled by govs.

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        Forced opensourcing would totally destroy the profits, cause you spend money on research and then you opensource, so anyone can just grab your model and don’t pay you a cent.

        DeepSeek was released

        The profits were not destroyed.

        Where would the profits come from?

        At this point the speculation is primarily on what comes next.

        People are betting on what they think LLMs will be able to do in the future, not what they do now.

        I mean yes, and?

        It’s theft. They stole the work of writers and all sorts of content creators. That’s the wrong that needs to be righted. Not how to reproduce the crime. The only way to right intellectual property theft is to pay the owner of that intellectual property the money they would have gotten if they had willingly leased it out as part of a deal. Corporations, like Nintendo, Disney, and Hasbro, hound people who do anything unapproved with their intellectual property. The idea that we’re yes anding the intellectual property of all humanity is laughable in a discussion supposedly about ethics.

        We should push to make high-vram devices accessible.

        That’s a whole other topic. But what we should fight for now is worker owned corporations. While that is an excellent goal, it isn’t helping to undue the theft that was done on its own. It’s only allowing more people to profit off that theft. We should also compensate the people who were stolen from if we care about ethics. Also, compensating writers and artists seems like a good reason to take all the money away from the billionaires.

        Lots of talks with openai devs where they just doomsay about the dangers of AGI, and how it must be top secret controlled by govs.

        OpenAI’s chief global affairs officer, Chris Lehane, wrote on LinkedIn

        Looks like the devs aren’t in control of the C-Suite. Whoops, all avoidable capitalist driven apocalypses.

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          it’s theft

          So is all the papers, all the conversations in the internet, all the code etc. So what? Nobody will stop the AI train. You would need Butlerian Jihad type of event to make it happen. In case of any won class action, the repayments would be so laughable nobody would even apply.

          Deepseek

          Deepseek didn’t opensource any proprietary AIs corporations do. I’m talking about forcing OpenAI to opensource all of their AI type of event, or close the company if they don’t comply.

          betting on the future

          Ok, new AI model drops, it’s opensource, I download it and run on my rack. Where profits?

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            So what?

            So appealing to ethics was bullshit got it. You just wanted the automated theft tool.

            Deepseek

            It kept some things hidden but it was the most open source LLM we got.

            Ok, new AI model drops, it’s opensource, I download it and run on my rack. Where profits?

            The next new AI model that can do the next new thing. The entire economy is based on speculative investments. If you can’t improve on the AI model on your machine you’re not getting any investor money. edit: typos