• nikscha@feddit.de
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    I often hear people saying “But where does the electricity for the EV come from? Driving an EV is not better than driving a diesel.”

    They have to realize that the thiny ICE in your car is optimised for weight, and has an efficiency of 30-35%. So about ⅔ of the fossil fuel is turned into heat and blown out of the exhaust. Compare that to the turbine in a coal or gas plant, which can archive up to 90% efficiency.

    And don’t forget that an EV is an investment, which will likely still be on the road in 20 years time. The electricity mix at the moment is still rather fossil fuel heavy, but this will change completely within the next 10 years.

    Edit: not 90% but 40% efficiency. See comments below

    • Vikthor@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      4 months ago

      Compare that to the turbine in a coal or gas plant, which can archive up to 90% efficiency.

      Nope, you might have seen 90+% efficiency when talking about steam power plants, but that’s the efficiency of the generator(converting the mechanical energy of the the rotating turbogenerator to electricity). You have to multiply with the efficiency of the turbine(converting the energy of the heated gases into the mechanical energy) and there the efficiency is much lower, ~40% for a coal fired and maybe <60% for a gas combined cycle.

      • Pipoca@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        4 months ago

        Yeah. Power plants are nowhere near 90% efficient.

        It’s worth emphasizing, though, that they’re still way, way more efficient than car engines are.

        Also, regenerative breaking saves a lot of energy. Basically, instead of using the motor to increase the cars speed, you use it as a generator to recharge the battery.

  • Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    4 months ago

    Give me a small 4dr sedan with crank windows, manual mirrors, pleather seats, tape player, shitty heat/ac, room for just 4 ppl (barely) and electric for $12-15k. They will fly off the shelves.

    Instead let’s build 7 passenger SUVs with a massive ass IPad, that drives itself into other cars, and fetch key fobs.

    • catloaf@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      You could probably buy an old junker with no engine, an EV crate engine kit, and pay someone to install it, and still come out under the cost of a new EV, or even recent used one.