UniversalMonk has been evading the a ban on him by posting from new accounts on !pleasantpolitics@slrpnk.net. That’s ban evasion, which on most instances leads to an account-level ban, as far as I know. The relevant account is UniversalMonk@lemm.ee.
I’m not sure how to notify admins on lemm.ee, so I’m posting here. If ban evasion justifies an account ban on lemm.ee, then it’s time. If there’s a better place to send this note, let me know, and I’ll do that instead.
Is having the same username on other instances a ban evasion though?
I was under the impression that a ban evasion would be being banned on an instance, creating an alt name on that instance, then continuing to post on that instance.
I thought the whole fediverse model was based on the fact that if your voice is sileneced on one instance, you could go to another instance. As long as it’s not for spamming or trolling.
This is a serious question, not being facetious. I have not been banned on lemm.ee or slrpnk, nor have I posted in !pleasantpolitics@slrpnk.net after being banned there–in fact i didn’t know I was banned there until just now.
I’m not sure what you’re meaning. I’m not sealioning, I genuinely don’t understand what you are so upset about.
Here are my post logs from both accounts:
https://slrpnk.net/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts
Being the same person who was banned, and posting from a new account, is ban evasion.
You can find a place that can put up with you, if you want to try. That’s the sense in which your voice won’t be silenced. The same people who’ve seen what you have to say and want no part of it are not obligated to continue listening to it forever, with you disabling their attempts not to hear from you anymore. That’s protecting their rights to use Lemmy as they want to use it.
But I haven’t posted to any communites on this instance that I’ve been banned from.
Dude, you literally just banned me from your community today and I haven’t posted into pleasant politics since then. Under this name or any other name.
I don’t even know why you are so upset! What did I post in pleasant politics that you are so upset about?
In fact, me using the same username shows that I’m being transparent and not trying to evade bans.
If I wanted to evade bans, wouldn’t I just use a different username in order to hide the fact? I’m not evading anything, nor do I plan to.
The bot banned you from !pleasantpolitics@slrpnk.net I don’t know how long ago. You had a lower rank, after a while, than even Media Bias Fact Check bot. Somehow. That’s your violation of the letter of the law.
I can’t even find the entry in the modlog because your record of moderation actions is so extensive that it’s almost impossible to make sense of. I seriously tried, and since your account ban and the endless list of deletions and bans people have been giving you, I couldn’t find it. It’s hard to find stuff for now-deleted accounts, I guess. It’s there though. You were banned quite a while ago from !pleasantpolitics@slrpnk.net under the now-deleted account. I can find a date or a moderation record if you want to see it. Anyway, you put yourself in a position to be able to DM people again after being banned for some kind of offense in DMs, and started posting in new politics communities with the exact same stuff after being banned for a pattern of behavior that I would say the mods were excessively generous about, to the point of moderation malpractice. That’s your violation of the spirit of the law.
You did ban evasion both in letter and in spirit. And, you’re pretending with an innocent face not to understand how anyone could have a negative reaction to you, when you’re clearly aiming for exactly that negative reaction with a lot of your past posts. That’s the proactive element that would lead me, if I were an admin, to ban you on sight.
You need to reevaluate your approach to posting, or else get accustomed to people wanting to ban you. It’s the world’s most natural reaction to what you like doing.
Thank you for the clarification. So are you saying that I posted to pleasant politics under my .world account? Because I only started this slprnk account recently and I have only posted to your forum once.
And your “bot” banned me and you don’t have a record of when? And your bot doesn’t notify people that they are banned, so how would I know?
The negative reaction you are referring to is because I would post news articles saying that Trump was gaining on Harris. But they were political articles from news sources. And after the election results, the articles I was posting ended up being accurate. And I advocated third parties. Which now many many people on .world are doing.
My time here on slrpnk has been apolitical and I haven’t really posted anything political. And I haven’t posted to any other instances from my slrpnk account.
My slrpnk account is for my fitness, my anarchy and solar interests. Here is my post history from here: https://slrpnk.net/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts
I had no idea I was banned from your community. I am fine not posting there. Seriously I had no communication that I was banned from your community until today. I thinks it a great idea for a community, but I am totally fine not posting there.
I just didn’t understand why you were so upset. I have no desire for drama. And I’m happy to just stick to my little fitness community.
Your ban is in the modlog. It’s about halfway down, search for “pleasant”.
I’m mostly relying on common sense here. Your participation in previous politics communities was incredibly obnoxious. The issue was never that you were talking about third parties and posting news articles. I don’t even know all the details of why you were banned. I think some of it was for DM harrassment or posting fan fiction about other people on Lemmy. Now that you’ve been banned, you’ve made new accounts and went looking for new politics communities to start doing the same thing in, while seeking for exact clarifications about the rules that would let you carefully adhere to the letter of them so you could keep doing it, while the overwhelming majority of the community keeps asking you not to.
I’m not trying to be mean about it, and I’m not upset or anything. If you’re interested in changing how you contribute so that you’re a net positive to the community, let’s talk. If you’re planning to continue your current type of contributions, but trying to engineer ways around the rules with multiple accounts or whatever so that you can keep doing it, then the answer is no thank you.
I think some of it was for DM harrassment or posting fan fiction about other people on Lemmy.
Again, assumption. And no, none of that ever happened. Think about it, if that happened and I am so hated, wouldn’t there be ample evidence and screen shots about that? People on that instance hated me with a passion! And I gave you links to the mod log of that community.
And the “fan fiction” wasn’t fan fiction at all. I don’t even know where that term came from. lol
I created a community of creepy pulpy horror tales that tie into Lemmy. I have no idea why anyone would say it was fan fiction or anything of the sort.
It was me writing fun pulpy horror tales. NONE of it was about anyone specific on Lemmy. I parodied the ATTITUDES of Lemmy. Here’s the link to the community: https://sh.itjust.works/c/talesfromthecrypticlemmy
Your participation in previous politics communities was incredibly obnoxious.
Which has nothing to do with your community or this instance. People can easily block my name and never see or hear me ever again.
I’m not trying to be mean about it, and I’m not upset or anything.
Good to know, maybe I missed the tone in your text. I def took it as you were trying to ban me from this instance, lemm.ee, and sh.itjust.works because of what you thought of my previous behavior on an instance that I was banned from weeks ago. Since you are writing to all of the admins there.
If you’re interested in changing how you contribute so that you’re a net positive to the community, let’s talk.
I have already started a community on here. And I may switch my Tales from the Crytpic Lemmy to here as well. Especially after this conversation. And since I am finishing up a horror tale involving a solar power relay.
But again, I won’t be posting to your community, mainly because of all this drama that happened.
I wish no ill will towards you. I think you have a great community idea. After this experience, I can not say I support your robotic mod though. I doubt I will be the first confused person to run afoul of it.
But I do wish you the best of luck with it.
I think some of it was for DM harrassment or posting fan fiction about other people on Lemmy.
Again, assumption. And no, none of that ever happened.
Modlog, search for “harassing.”
Good to know, maybe I missed the tone in your text. I def took it as you were trying to ban me from this instance, lemm.ee, and sh.itjust.works because of what you thought of my previous behavior on an instance that I was banned from weeks ago. Since you are writing to all of the admins there.
That is exactly what I was trying to do, yes. Not for your behavior on the previous instances exactly, but for starting up the same behavior from new accounts since you’d already been banned for it, which is against the rules. I think I explained the commonsense reasons also.
Hey guys,
I’ve reviewed the situation and don’t believe Universal Monk has earned a instance ban from lemm.ee. Auk, if he continues to post in communities he’s been banned from from his lemm.ee account , please let me know.
I’m going to go ahead and lock this thread, thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Ok, guys, now I get what happened. Even tho you all think I’m trolling, it’s really because I’m an idiot.
So I THINK I have worked it out. Someone DM’d me the theory.
So auk’s robot banned me from his community before I ever posted there under my slrpnk account, based on a downvote count that I had on another instance.
So since I never knew I was banned in his community (because the bot doesn’t notify), I mistakenly posted there, and auk recognized the user name, thought I was ban evading.
So now I get it. But, auk, your bot doesn’t notify people they were banned.
If people don’t know they’re banned (especially if they’ve never posted there), and then post there, I don’t think it’s fair to represent that as ban evasion.
But at least now I understand. I’m happy not to post there. It’s all good.
Guys, I’m not a troll just because I’m still learning all the Lemmy stuff.
As I said under the other post, I do believe this evasion was entirely unintentional, for the reasons you outlined. The part that was intentional was trolling in lemmy.world politics and some other communities until your whole user got banned, and then making new accounts and going looking for other politics communities to start up exactly the same antics in, explicitly affirming your plan to continue the same pattern of behavior. And, in the course of doing that, you managed to break some rules, set up to protect against that kind of behavior.
I’m not planning to set the bot up to notify dozens of users about their bans in a community they have never posted in and don’t care about. Mostly it doesn’t come up, because you have to be pretty obnoxious for the bot to ban you. Almost no one even close to that boundary even posts there, because almost everyone understands how to interact with other users without collecting hundreds or thousands of downvotes.
I get that you didn’t get a notification, and so probably didn’t know you were banned. You did know you were being obnoxious previously, and refused to stop doing it until it escalated to an account ban, and then made some new accounts and started looking for new places to do it.
I think admins and mods those new places can make the decision about whether that is ban evasion, or whether they want to let you do this all again until you inevitably get banned again sometime later. People have talked with you about why what you’re doing is a problem. Why they would pick that second option is something of a mystery to me, but I’ll leave it up to them. I’m just relaying the information.
It would be a different story if you were just misunderstanding something, and completely open to a conversation about why you keep getting banned and what you can do differently, but you’re clearly more interested in figuring out the details of the rules so you can find ways around them and keep doing your same thing.
I’m not planning to set the bot up to notify dozens of users about their bans in a community they have never posted in and don’t care about.
lol so your dumb bot bans randos, doesn’t tell them, and you’re too lazy to fix it and this guy is somehow avoiding bans he never even knew happened. this is straight ridiculous stop wasting people’s times with this crap
Sending out ban notifications to dozens of users about bans in a community they’ve never heard of doesn’t seem like good bot design.
I am unsurprised that a UniversalMonk fan would think that would be a totally reasonable thing to do, though, and at the same time that banning someone who managed to get an account ban from the least ban-happy instance there is when they make a new account and start doing the same stuff is somehow unreasonable.
I’m not planning to set the bot up to notify dozens of users about their bans in a community they have never posted in and don’t care about.
Right. As you admit, I didn’t know I was banned. Yet you called for me to be banned from this and other instances for ban evasion. Seems unjust to me.
As I said under the other post, I do believe this evasion was entirely unintentional,
Ok, sorry, I didn’t catch that you were the one that said that in the flurry of responses.
You did know you were being obnoxious previously, and refused to stop doing it until it escalated to an account ban
And for the record, I do realize that you and most people thought I was trolling in .world. But I wasn’t trolling. And I don’t think I should even be considered a troll. A troll is based on intent, not dislike. I had no intention to get negative reactions. But people hated me anyway. And that’s totally their right.
I stand by everything I said and done there. And I accept my ban there, because I don’t run the instance. Their instance, their rules.
But in my definition of Trolling, it’s posting stuff JUST to get a negative response. I posted stuff IN SPITE of getting a negative response, not with the purpose to get one. I am fine with my role of being a dissenting voice.
The majority of my responses that were called “trolling” were just me responding to people. I never name-called, or was unpolite. THAT actually caused people to name-call me and call me a troll. I stand by everything I said there.
People were mad because I wasn’t voting for Harris and that I was voting for third party. And they thought that I was trying to sway the election.
But as we can now see, Harris lost by such a large margin, that even all if everyone who voted for third party would have thrown their support to Harris, she still would have lost.
So my posting my support for third parties didn’t change the election at all.
Here is the link to my comments and posts from .world and that community that led to my banning and bad rep: https://lemmy.world/modlog/1252?page=1&userId=9454261
People were mad because I didn’t vote for Harris. But I didn’t vote for Trump either. And I think it’s silly to think that people were so mad about that, especially after we have now seen how the election played out.
but you’re clearly more interested in figuring out the details of the rules so you can find ways around them and keep doing your same thing.
Again, that’s your assumption of my intent, but that doesn’t make it a reality of my intent. I have no desire to find ways around anything.
I honestly didn’t understand your anger or the ban. And I didn’t realize it was just based on a bot seeing that I had downvotes. I thought bans were based on something posted.
And as we have discussed, I didn’t even realize I was banned. Now you’ve explained it. Now I understand. And I have no desire to post in your community now.
You didn’t have to come at me so hard, man. So I was just confused and it set off a flurry of responses.
Please feel free to DM anytime in the future if you have an issue with me or would like to discuss things further.
As of now, I consider the matter resolved and I appreciate your explanations.
But it really seems that you are mostly upset about what happened in the past on a totally different instance. And I was already banned from that instance, so that matter has been resolved as well.
