Years ago there was a profile on PoF that would hit me up every couple of months asking if they could castrate me. (I’m a trans woman)

It was weird, they weren’t pushy or aggressive, more just, “Hey, you don’t want them, right? Seems like a win win.” Sometimes I’d play along and ask questions and stuff, but they wouldn’t say much, and never actually made any effort to meet up.

I haven’t thought about them in years, hahaha, but seeing your question brought it all back.

I was 29 when I bought mine last year, but was only able to do so because of my Veteran’s benefits.

My biggest regret was not buying a house while I was still in, in the area I was stationed, because since then (2017), houses have jumped in price and I much preferred living there then my home state. But… Life is just funny like that, I suppose.

My doggo will normally follow verbal commands for sit/down/shake without much issue. But sometimes he gets too excited or obstinate and doesn’t want to do it even if I’ve said so a few times. At some point, I inadvertently taught him that me putting my hand(s) on my hip(s) is the “Ok, we’re not moving on until you listen” gesture.

I make him sit before he eats, and if he isn’t sitting, I’ll just put my hand on my hip and he immediately plants his ass against the floor, tail wagging. He also knows the question, “Are you begging?” if he’s too close to someone eating, and he’ll put his head down and slowly skulk away for 5 minutes before sneakily returning to his previous position, hoping for scraps. 😆

Do you not have carpets or what?

I don’t, no. Only one room in my house has carpet, and they’re from the original owner and already gross anyway, and that room is a storage room. The rest of the house is hardwood (which needs to be redone) or linoleum.

I couldn’t imagine fucking up all my carpets and furniture over time from being too lazy to take shoes off.

It’s not always laziness, I prefer just having my shoes on unless I’ve got my feet on the couch, then it’s just socks. People have their own preferences, there’s nothing wrong with that.

Plus I just don’t understand how it’s comfortable to wear shoes all day long. I usually can’t wait to get home just so I can take my shoes off. I don’t feel like I can truly relax without them off.

🤷‍♀️ Don’t know, I just feel more comfortable in shoes an/or socks. I’ve never understood people who have to take their shoes and socks off as soon as they get home, you’re just getting dust and dirt and whatever else all over your feet.

Do you wear your shoes when you’re in bed and snuggling on the couch under a blanket too???

No, shoes don’t go on the furniture, unless I’d get too high in the past and fall asleep with them on. They’re warm and protect my feet.

I’ll also add, I have a dog, so, to me, it’s a moot point. He’s not wearing shoes, and he’s going to drag even worse stuff in the house on his paws, and I’m not cleaning his paws literally every time he’s gotta go out and pee, so… 🤷‍♀️

Idk, I see all of the points people are making about why you shouldn’t wear them inside, but I don’t understand why people are acting like they’ve never even considered the concept of just… Wearing shoes inside? Like, to me, it’s more astonishing (as a former chef) that people will cook barefoot, like, haven y’all never seen what hot oils can do to bare skin? That’s insane to me, but I’m not losing my mind over the concept.

That wasn’t “whataboutism”, I was comparing two things that are the same, but are viewed differently by society. Your bad faith arguments just won’t let you admit to it, but let’s continue.

It was, myself and everyone here were discussing a woman, wearing a shirt that barely showed her nipples, and your first line in response to me was comparing the situation to roadkill. But, I’m sure you’ll just chalk me pointing that out to you as more “bad faith” arguing, since that seems to be the catch-all term now for “you’re pointing out flaws in my logic and I don’t like it.”

I haven’t because you make the argument in bad faith. You know that I know the difference, I know that you know the difference, but no matter what I say, you’ll tell me that I’m wrong. However, for the sake of answering your question, sure, I’ll tell you.

Again, says the person who compared nipples to roadkill, but I’m arguing in bad faith, got it. Same with that pic of the guy’s dick you posted, that totally wasn’t a bad faith argument taking the discussion to the absolute extremes. But let’s see your answer.

Biologically: Both sexes have nipples because early in the womb we were all the same gender before we got the ol’ switcharoo that we were born with. Nipples were formed before your dick/vagina, and they stuck around afterwards instead of falling off. In the female of mammalian species, the female nipple facilitates breast feeding.

Cool, so the only difference you could point out, biologically, was that a woman’s nipple facilitates breastfeeding. Since this woman wasn’t doing that, and afaik, breastfeeding is legal in public, I still don’t see the issue.

Sexually: In many societies and cultures, the female nipple is viewed as an object of sexual desire (see: every ratings board, ever), and thus, is typically obstructed from view based on the cultural in which the woman is present. Even in places where it is completely legal for women to walk around topless (like where I live) it is still culturally appropriate to wear something that covers them. The easiest way to give an example that offers a repeatable outcome is to post two pictures in this thread, one of a male chest, and the other of a female, both nude. The female will get removed by the automod.

Feet are considered sexual, yet we allow people to wear sandals in public. No one bats an eye at men wearing basketball shorts or tight jeans with obviously noticeable bulges. So really, your argument is that women can’t show their bodies because they’re just sexual objects, cool, way to defend misogyny. 👍 And to your point about the automod: cool? Yet that pic you posted of the clearly visible dick, that’s, again, totally fine since it hasn’t been taken down by the automod. Hear that, guys?!? You can whip your dick out in public now because this guy’s dick pic wasn’t removed by an automod!!! 🙄

There are laws for that, yes, though they are not targeted directly at men, they affect them disproportionately. Some examples being loud, rowdy men at a bar are seen as a nuisance, where as loud, rowdy women are just having a girls night out. I’m not saying there is a real difference, but culturally, that is how it is seen a lot of the time. I can give many, many more examples, but I’m not going to waste my time on a battle of the sexes.

No, there are no laws banning men from existing in public anywhere. Your example is an example of drunk and disorderly conduct, which I have seen women and men escorted from bars/public places for taking part in. Your issue with the woman in the airport was that her nipples were observable, so I brought up the fact that men, simply by existing (very much like women’s nipples) make many people uncomfortable, yet we don’t ban men from public spaces like we do women’s (and only women’s) nipples.

Do you see the difference, Mr. Expert-On-Everything? My point was that if we’re banning things based on how uncomfortable they make people, men shouldn’t be allowed in public. Since this entire argument revolves around comfort, that was the point I was making. Outside of comfort, there is literally no difference between a man’s nipple and a woman’s.

I think you had a point when you started that thought, but it got lost somewhere along the way, and now it makes no sense. Sorry, I can’t find a way to respond to it.

The point (which I guess you couldn’t follow) was that men, the most violent of the sexes, aren’t banned from public and exist everywhere, despite the harm they’ve caused to multitudes of people. Nipples, who have never harmed anyone as far as I’m aware, have never committed the atrocities that men have. So, again, what is the issue with this woman minding her own business in a slightly see-through top while trying to travel when, as far as anyone knows or was reported, she wasn’t harming or bothering anyone?

And even if you could respond to it, you’d probably just accuse me of more bad faith arguments because that seems to be your go to for having your idiotic logic thrown back at you.

Take on what? Sex and violence? I don’t need to make the argument on difference there. There are many cultures that have a different view of the two than the American view.

I think you had a point when you started that thought, but it got lost somewhere along the way, and now it makes no sense. Sorry, I can’t find a way to respond to it.

Either way, I’m done with these arguments. All of you, and truly, I mean all of you have been making bad faith arguments simply to virtue signal. Not a single person here has made a good argument as to why a woman with her tits showing through her shirt should have been allowed on a family flight where she was showing more than could be shown on network television. Call her persecutors prudes or whatever, but rules are rules, and if you don’t like them, you try to change them. Admittedly, that is what she seems to be doing, but in the most narcissistic way possible, which doesn’t really help her case.

We’re not virtue signaling or arguing in bad faith, we’re asking you to logically explain why a woman, minding her own business, waiting for her plane, being allowed to board her plane, and then being removed from her plane after everyone else had been allowed to board, should have been when her only “offense” was wearing a slightly revealing top? Call the fucking army, she should be shot, folks! She showed a body part that the majority of human fucking beings and every fucking mammal on the planet has, oh the everloving humanity!

Her tits were not showing through, they were barely noticeable, and she was bothering no one. I didn’t see a report saying she was shoving them in people’s faces or running up to kids and flashing them, and from the picture she posted, it looked like she had a light jacket on as well. So because people like you can’t control themselves and not stare at someone’s barely noticeable nipples, she had to have her life dramatically inconvenienced because oF tHe ChIlDrEn.

What a joke, all of your arguments have been used to suppress minorities: we can’t let LGBTQ+ people hold hands/kiss/exist in public, won’t anyone think of the children?!? It makes us uncomfortable to see two men kissing, what will I explain to my children?!? I can’t have my child see a nipple, he’s only got two himself, how will I explain that other people have nipples too, oh GOD the humanity!?!?!?!? 😭😭😭😭

What a joke. You’re a misogynist who, like the majority of society, thinks any part of a woman is automatically sexual, and it’s disgusting, and I applaud this women for making people like you uncomfortable.

I’m sorry, are you comparing nudity to people just existing?

No, I’m comparing comfort to comfort in public spaces, which is the topic if discussion. She also wasn’t nude, she was wearing a shirt, albeit see through, and was “jUsT eXiStInG.” As far as I could tell, she wasn’t wearing a sign that says “Check out my tits!” or walking up to strangers shoving them in their faces.

She was, as far as any of us know, waiting for her flight, then boarded her flight, and then was asked to leave due to “discomfort.” So, discomfort is a justifiable reason when it’s your discomfort, but not anyone else’s?

Those two things are not related

But they are. They’re nipples, unless you’re an alien, as far as I know, you have them too. Had she been wearing a plain T-shirt but her nipples were hard, does she deserve to be removed from her flight that she paid for because of your discomfort?

you can fuck right off trying to act like my discomfort with the former is anything like the latter.

Classy, I didn’t insult you, I pointed out the flaw in your logic: things that make people uncomfortable shouldn’t be allowed in public, which is just asinine. Your argument here is basically “but it makes me uncomfortable,” which is just entitled and childish.

The majority of people who wear sandals, in my opinion, have disgusting feet, to the point where I wouldn’t be able to eat around them. Feet are a fetish, therefore sexual, so do I now have the right to ask anyone wearing sandals to be removed from public or to “cover their nudity” because it makes me uncomfortable? No, the logical solution would be to, idk, not look at them. Wow, crazy idea, not to focus on something that makes you uncomfortable.

My point was, many people are “uncomfortable” around two men/women kissing, or even holding hands, and those same fucking arguments have been and are used to ban innocent behavior in public because of comfort. This woman was doing nothing wrong, and if you are so put off by seeing a nipple that you would have such a difficult time traveling to your destination, then you need to talk to someone professionally about it. Or, if you’re incapable of, again, just not looking at them, then you need to work on your own self control.

And before you start with any bullshit about me being an asshole or LGBTQ±phobic: I’m a trans woman who has spoken to my therapist of 6 years now, at length on several occasions, about my discomfort around other people’s feet and body hair. Never once, once, has she suggested that other people should be barred from public for checks notes fucking existing.

Maybe learn to work on yourself and grow as a person, rather than demanding society bend over to appease you, personally. But what do I know, I was only raised in a household where your exact arguments were made to justify anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric, but that can’t be, because you claim they’re completely unrelated. 🙄

People make the same arguments about non-binary people, you realize that, right? And trans people, and public displays of affection by members of the LGBTQ+ community as a whole.

So by your logic, you’d be completely fine being removed from a flight because someone else, who you aren’t even interacting with, finds your presence uncomfortable?

What’s the difference between roadkill and a side of beef? You can have two things that are ostensibly the same, but very different culturally.

Mmm, one is potentially disease ridden and could kill you since it’s found on the side of the road, while the other is regulated heavily by the government and likely won’t kill you so long as it is cooked properly.

Regardless, neither have anything to do with the fact that a nipple, regardless of gender, does not have the potential to kill you, and the whataboutism is cute but off topic.

So once again, without bringing up things that no one was discussing (like guns, or countries of origin, or in the case of another of your comments, a dick under a pair of transparent and water logged underwear), what is the difference between a man’s nipple and a woman’s? Because you’ve yet to answer my, or anyone’s, question.

Men, hands down, are the more violent and aggressive of a species, and make many people uncomfortable to be around. Do we get to ban men from public spaces because they are encroaching on the personal freedoms of those who are made uncomfortable by them? Or are you just going to respond that those who are uncomfortable around an entire gender need therapy or professional help? Or should they just uproot their entire lives, as you seem to suggest, and move to a country with no men? Oh, they don’t exist? Funny, since the vast majority of people have nipples, and last I checked, a nipple has never raped or killed anyone.

Since you seem to like to take arguments to the extreme or compare them to things like unregulated and regulated meat, what’s your take on that?

I remember discussing with my (very conservative, Baptist) Aunt at the beach once that movies showing nudity shouldn’t be rated 17+ or Mature because the human body is natural. Violence, however, is not. She remarked that she didn’t want to see nipples in movies, they made her uncomfortable.

I responded asking if she didn’t have any of her own, and then pointed to the literal thousands of men around us, enjoying the beach with their nipples on full display, even up on the boardwalk, with children everywhere.

So, what’s the difference between a woman’s nipples and a man’s? I’d say they’re made of the same parts, look damn near the same, and was even going to give you the benefit of saying a woman’s are attached to breasts while a man’s aren’t, yet, I’ve seen plenty of breasts on men in our ever-growing obese population.

So, again, what’s the difference? What makes a man’s exposed nipples “modest” for society while a woman’s are considered “encroaching on other’s personal freedom,” as you so eloquently put it?