Illegal? No, most countries arrest people on grounds of probable cause. In this case, Israel can just cite that they arrested this crew for national security reasons, which is technically legal. During their arrest they’ll determine whether or not they want to file charges against them. If they do then they’ll proceed to a trail, otherwise they’ll be released.
You understand we’re talking about this crew, right? You understand you posting this has zero relevance to the claim you made or the topic at hand, right?
I’m sorry, but I’m having a difficult time understanding what you’re asking. Are you asking if someone counts as a hostage if they got abducted by someone else just for vengeance? If so, then no, they’re not hostages. This would be considered a kidnapping.
What part is untrue?
It literally doesn’t matter, they’re not going to step foot into an active war zone. The purpose of this whole stunt is get media attention.
Well, I guess it has utility because we’re talking about it.
I guess, but at the same time this has been the most talked about international conflict of this decade so they’re bringing attention to a thing that is already receiving a lot of attention.
I don’t really think there’s much else that can be done other than state level actors putting a stop to it. Or like a reverse crusade where freeing Palestine from Israel is the goal, need a leader for that.
Force is not going to end this catastrophe. First of all nobody wants to get directly involved, especially on the side of the Palestinians, but even if they did, Israel is quite strong. Arab coalitions in the past tried to do just this and they weren’t successful.
The only way for this conflict to actually end is for Israel to end it, and the only way this can happen is if Netanyahu and his coalition get ousted from government. He should’ve been in prison decades ago, but it’s very likely he will be once this war ends which is likely why he doesn’t want to end it. Regardless, if this government doesn’t collapse soon, then we will have to wait until the next general Israeli elections on Oct 27th, 2026. Either Netanyahu’s coalition ends the war themselves to try to win back the public before the elections or the opposing coalition is going to end it right after they win.
Do you have any evidence that this crew is being starved or tortured?
Okay, but we’re talking about this crew specifically. They serve no purpose as hostages.
This looks AI generated
Genuine question, how did you come up with any of these? Do you just throw any random label without taking into account what they mean?
To be imprisoned means to be kept in confinement as a punishment. They’re not prisoners by the definition of the word nor are they being tortured (like where did you even get this from?). If we were to label their current status accurately then they’re arrestees in custody of Israel.
Literally nothing is going to happen to them. They’re going to be released once they get the boat hauled to an Israeli port and then Israel’s calls their respective embassies. This was this group’s intention from the start.
I think they’re getting better treatment because they were very clear that this whole thing is meant to be a publicity stunt. The idea was to have Israel come and intercept them from the start, they never had any plans to actually land on Gaza. This is why they spelled out exactly what they were going to do, why didn’t carry any real amount of aid, and why they were so cooperative when Israel did eventually intercept them.
The Oct 7 terrorist attacks weren’t ghetto uprising. They weren’t spontaneous, grassroots, or widespread. They were premeditated terrorist attacks by specific terrorist groups to cause as much harm as they could to the nearby Israeli population. The first and second intifadas could be argued as ghetto uprisings, this is nothing like that.
No, this is what will realistically happen:
And that would be the end of it.
Yes, it’s publicity stunt. If Israel for whatever reason decided to let them get close to Gaza’s shore, they will never actually land. They will get close then turn they will their boat around and head back.
If they actually landed in Gaza, they won’t be welcomed as heroes. Instead, they would almost immediately get taken as hostages by either Hamas or normal civilians to use in negotiations with Israel. These activists know this, which is why they informed Israel and the rest of the world what the path they will take, what time they will travel, and what boat they’ll be using for the trip.
Yeah that’s not happening, Sweden’s foreign Minister has already come out and said that Greta Thunberg is safe, is a moron, and doesn’t need help but if she does then she’ll get the same help by the embassy as any other Swedish citizen:
Several protesters had gathered outside the Parliament House on Monday. This is to call on the Swedish government to act against Greta Thunberg and several other activists being arrested at sea outside Gaza.
“Israel has, as we judge, some opportunities to escort this ship with the international law,” the foreign minister said when she was interviewed outside the Chamber.
Israel claims Thunberg is “safe.” Swedish Foreign Minister Maria Malmer Stenergard believes that Thunberg is currently not in need of the Ministry for Foreign Affairs’ support.
“There is a great responsibility on those who choose to travel in violation of the advice that exists into a place,” says Malmer Stenergard.
“If she gets a need for consular support, we will do everything we can, just as we do with all Swedish citizens,” she continues. Encouraged to put pressure
The Ministry for Foreign Affairs is said to have been called down on Monday, says Malmer Stenergard. This after Greta Thunberg on social media urged “friends, family and comrades” to put pressure on Sweden’s government. This is what Maria Malmer Stenergard can have consequences.
“It is quite dangerous to conduct a campaign that means that the Ministry for Foreign Affairs’ consular emergency services will be called down. As a consequence, that the needy Swedes in the world will have to wait far too long in line, says the foreign minister.
This is something that I see a lot and it’s irks me the wrong way every time. I know that people on the internet get emotional, but we gotta stop abusing words. The word hostage describes something very specific, in this case it’s this:
a person held by one party in a conflict as a pledge pending the fulfillment of an agreement (source)
Basically a hostage is a prisoner that is specifically held captive to be used as a bargaining chip.
This is precisely the reason why the hostages taken by Hamas are called as such. They were taken with intention of using them to cut a deal with Israel later on. But in this case, Israel is very unlikely to use the people on this boat to negotiate any deal, we don’t even know if they’re even going to be detained or released once the ship gets routed to one Israel’s ports. But if Israel does detain after the fact then that’s just imprisonment.
Of course they are, but bad urban development doesn’t justify people intentionally creating dangerous situations.
But that’s not true. Drivers aren’t a cohesive group. Just about every adult in this country drives. The people who are against more pedestrian development are either NIMBYs or the car lobby.
This literally just a bunch of meaningless word salad. You either actually explain your disagreement or concede that you have nothing.