But they aren’t all made by slave labor. You only have to spend 3-5x as much. Not a problem if you buy %80 less clothes.

Perma-ban started being used because people began using Ban when meaning something temporary.

That makes sense. Thank you for giving an actual answer.

Dark humor is a lot like food.
Not everyone gets it.

Just stateing your claim again isn’t a valid argument.

There isn’t a predetermined end point with hunger. No timer. That’s the difference.

Here is a little bit of muddiness. If there is no clearly defined end of something, is it permanent, or temporary? I would argue, since nearly everything changes and virtually nothing is permanent in an absolute sense; Permanent can only reasonably mean, no predetermined end time. Hunger has no defined amount of time. It may in fact last until death, making it quite permanent from the point of view of the individual experiencing it. So hunger in fact would, for the purpose of a definition, be permanent.

Thank you! Your thorough and thoughtful response is a breath of fresh air.

I made that same argument countless times in school. I can count on one hand the number of times a teacher agreed with me.

Sort of. I thought that for a long time also, because that’s the way reddit worked for years.
But some people didn’t like that people they blocked could still see and comment on their stuff without their knowledge. So it became a real block.

My original question wasn’t about changing anything at this point. It was about when and why this change in usage happened.
But with all the push back saying I’m actually wrong, I’ve instead been forced into a place where I have to defend the dictionary.
I’m not arguing for a new standard. I’m saying there was a standard, and somehow we got off it; And are now we’re in a place of ambiguity.

That’s not how tests work.

But would more correctly (specifically) be defined as Suspend.

Like on a multiple choice test question with two answers that are “correct”, one is more specific, and thus the “right” answer.

A Time-out has Time in the word itself.
The definition also explicitly mentions a limited time, and uses the word Suspension that I already showed means temporary.

You could suspend specific privileges within a club, without suspending all access.

That’s what a “Ban” here and at reddit means. You can still access and see the sub or community, it’s only your post and comment privileges that get Suspended.

In Games a “Ban” means your access to play online with others is Suspended, not your access to use any single player modes or features.

They’re not synonymous.

That’s what I explained. “a Temporary Ban, is Suspend, not Ban.”

it doesn’t make sense to suspend the privilege of access.

That’s the only thing it makes sense to suspend. What else would you suspend? (excluding the meaning of hanging something up)

Traditionally terms for temporary things include that aspect in their definition, like the definitions of Suspend I gave. By tradition of definition, permanent is implied unless otherwise defined.

Can you give an example of a word for a temporary condition or situation, that isn’t explicitly defined as such?

there is no implied timeframe

If it’s not implied that it ever ends, how long would it last? Forever seems the reasonable answer. And as far as I know that was the prevailing assumption until 20ish years ago. I’m asking how and why that changed.

I’m pretty sure Permaban only exists because people started using Ban as temporary.
Permaban is redundant.

most people conflate temp ban and regular ban.

Which is why I’m implying (and now flatly saying) a Temp Ban should be renamed to a Suspension. For clarity.

Nothing implies it’s anything other than permanent. While Suspend explicitly defines itself as a temporary Ban.