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  • How much do you know about the era prior to Russian intervention in Ukraine? As far as i understand it the Ukrainian backed neo-nazi groups were literally shelling ethnically Russian towns, and killing civilians long before Russia stepped in. So i don’t think portraying this as a black, and white agressor vs defender situation is correct. Donetsk, and Luhansk were actively asking Russia to intervene.

    Now do i think that is why Russia intervened? Because they are just super nice, and wanted to help? Fuck no. They did it for geopolitical reasons like anything else. To secure the historically single most effective corridor for invading Russia. That doesn’t mean that context is irrelevant though.

    This is also functionally a proxy war. It’s the US vs Russia, but the US is using Ukraine as its manpower pool, and bullet sponge. Ukraine doesn’t have the ability to defend itself like it’s done alone. Even with western backing it’s losing.

    The war only happened because the US wanted it to happen. They played Russia, but it backfired on them. The US wanted Russia to come in, and get weakened by Ukraine. Didn’t really care how much damage Ukraine took in the process. But Russia is arguably better off militarily today than it was before this war started. It’s also strengthened the ties between China, and Russia since Russia relies on China to be its economic lifeline in spite of all the sanctions.

    So to answer the question: Why critically support Russia?

    Morally- Tie: Neither side is worth a damn. Ukrainian civilians and Russian civilians are both innocent, and leadership in both countries is irredeemably evil.

    Strategically-Russia Wins: Russian victory weakens the US. Aids the long term goal of destroying US empire.

    Pragmatically-Russia Wins: If Ukraine maintains its independence it will have a total lack of young people, destroyed infrastucture, and be economically insolvent. It will be turned into a resource extraction site for the west, and likely never recover. It’s neo-nazi government will be backed by the US, and impossible to overthrow via domestic rebellion. Another war could happen at any time. Not just with Russia, but with Turkey, Poland, etc. If conditions arise to allow it. As Ukraine will still not have nukes, and will be weakened significantly.

    If Russia wins Ukraine will be taken over, and become part of Russia. Economically they’ll be better off. Likely with significant investment from both Russia, and China in rebuilding their infrastucture. Still used as a resource extraction site, but since manpower will be able to be brought in from the rest of Russia working conditions will likely be better. They’ll now be under the Russian nuclear umbrella. So unless WW3 happens another war isn’t likely. (Yeah WW3 isn’t exactly unlikely, but yknow.) Ukraine also has significant wheat production. To the west this is kind of a meh thing. They have plenty of farmland in the US, and are more interested in minerals. But Russia/China would be quite interested in maintaining wheat output, and would not risk it just to get some minerals. Not just for their own use, but to keep nations like Egypt stable. So the international food supply markets are likely to be more stable in this situation. Which helps not just Ukrainians themselves via jobs, and investment, but anyone in a food insecure region too.

    Anecdotally-Russia wins: Idk how much this matters to other people, but personally when it comes to foreign policy stuff I recognize that the info we as civilians have access to is limited. So i look to the positions of organizations i believe have similar long term goals to my own, communist orgs, and also have access to more information. Intelligence agencies, etc.

    China: Officially neutral, but leans toward Russian support.

    DPRK: Openly supports Russia.

    Vietnam: Neutral, Abstains from UN votes about the conflict.

    Cuba: Leans pro-Russia.

    These have a clear trend. When 0 AES states are supporting the side of Ukraine that tells me all i need to know. The situation isn’t black, and white clearly. But critical support for Russia is the choice that makes the most sense for me. Not that my random poor person trying to survive opinion does much of anything.










  • I’ve thought about this before, and i think while limits are a good idea, most peoples approach to this would be a disaster.

    Using the internet is a skill. One that most of us alive today have naturally developed over time. Kids need to be able to do this too. Otherwise once they become adults they will be very confused, and susceptible to scams. Much like how elderly people who didn’t use it as kids are now.

    For that reason i think its necessary to have an internet that is just for kids. I’m not talking about like the typical youtube kids sort of thing. I mean like an entire separate net. Similar to the one everyone else uses, but with guardrails in place. Give them all a little currency of digital points they can use to buy things like cosmetics for their profiles, or even real things. Maybe stores could offer little treats, or toys to them for the points. Then let them have ways to scam each other, and ways to earn the points by doing things like watching educational content, or doing good in school.

    Moderate it heavily for content. But not for how they act towards each other. It would allow them to experience being scammed and losing their hard earned points in a controlled environment without it being real money once they’re an adult. Things like bullying, while they should be monitored, i would allow to an extent. It’s going to happen on the real internet, and people need to get used to ignoring it. I would even argue professional adult educators should have fake profiles in this kid net where they play bad actors. They comment things like “This is stupid” under posts, they try to scam them, stuff like that. Then we foster a culture among the actual kids where they are good at spotting these scams, it could be taught in school then used in practice against the fake accounts, and dealing with bullying. Teach them when someone comments a mean thing you respond by refuting it, and complementing the person it was directed at.

    I think this mainly comes down to one thing. Kids are not gonna stay kids. People these days tend to act like they will. Like sheltering them from everything is the answer. People learn through experience, and if you shelter people through their childhood they lose out on opportunities to learn things naturally like this. Then they become adults who are naive, and vulnerable.

    So we simulate the real internet in a controlled environment. Foster a culture on this fake internet that is positive, and robust against bad actors. Then let it slowly bleed over into the real internet as these kids get older. I’d probably allow them on the real internet once they turn 15 or 16, and allow them to stay on the kid net until 18. So there would be a transitional period.

    As for enforcing it the most i would do if a kid somehow like jailbroke their device and got on the main internet is some sort of school punishment. Extra work or something. Maybe involving computers since they have shown an interest in that by doing it. As for adults who get on the kid net unauthorized I’d treat it as a serious criminal offense. Depending on what they were doing anything from massive fines, to prison time.


  • I thought the question was “what is THE single most right wing view” and i was like “Idk probably supporting genocide” then i read the comments and was so confused.

    Glad i didnt comment without reading the question again that would have looked bad.

    Its hard cuz idk what even is right wing or isnt half the time.

    I don’t remember the exact quote, but i saw something like “To be a revolutionary is to be a ruthless bloodthirsty monster.” attributed to Che Guevara. I agree with it. I think to operate as a revolutionary successfully against something like a capitalist regime you can’t afford to limit your actions. You do what you have to do to win. No matter how cruel, no matter how unreasonable. Victory is the only goal. For any suffering you may cause pales in comparison to the suffering caused by your failure.









  • I understand what you are saying but i do not think it is possible to judge a system at all just by looking at the system without having prior knowledge of how these systems operate over long periods of time.

    We know for example that monarchism is bad because of all the historical examples of it going horribly wrong. We can speculate on if a system is going to work well or not and try to design it to be so, but to actually confirm it we must put it into practice.

    You are right that the system doing good once does not prove the system itself is good, but the system doing consistent good over a long period of time and in various different localities with various different cultures and under various different managers does go a long way to prove this.

    Putting it into practice in other places is the only way to find out if it will work in those other places. We cannot simply examine a system and know how it will function without putting it into practice many times and examining the material outcomes.

    Its a scientific approach. You cant just hypothesize and be done with it. You must do experiements. Many of them. And get the same result.

    Socialism has been put into practice in various different “flavors” SwCC - Chinese Socialism - is one of these. It built upon lessons learned from the USSR and is arguably the most successful and refined socialist model to date.

    It is an experiment that has had positive results. To find out if it can be repeated we must attempt to repeat it elsewhere. No amount of examination of the system can give us a definitive answer as to if it will work elsewhere or not. The only way we can find out is to repeat the experiment. Many times. And see if it ever fails.


  • I think a lot of the things you seem to be looking for in what makes the CPC “good or bad” are derived from more ideas than a material analysis. This is understandable if you are from the west. Its something that is pushed a lot. The focus on systemic posturing and rhetoric over material analysis of the effects of the system. It can be hard to break out of this mindset.

    Personally i would reccomend looking elsewhere. For example: How has CPC rule effected the lives of working class Chinese? Are the conditions and quality of life improving? Are any groups being left behind or treated worse than others?

    To strive for specific types of idealistic government is a liberalized way of thinking. They want “freedom and democracy” as an idea, but do not consider material effects of the system they advocate for. To strive for “the most proletarian dictatorship” as an idea is no different. The reason we advocate for proletarian rule is because it improves the lives of the most people. When examining a government we must look at its effect on its people. We cannot judge a systems success by looking only at the system itself. We must look at the effects of that system on the lives of the people living under it.

    China raising 800 million people out of extreme poverty for example says much more about the success of its system of government than any amount of voting would.

    This isnt my trying to critisize you and make you feel bad. I think its a good opportunity to examine the way you judge systems and try to break yourself out of some lingering westernized and liberalized ways of thinking that anyone who grew up around those systems are constantly exposed to, and transition more to a materialist way of thinking. I myself am still working on this too.