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  • It is true that land is not obtained by labor, but it is still a limited resource needed for production, so if someone owns it, that someone will most of the time only agree other people use it in exchange for part of the final product.

    in exchange for part of the final product.

    If that final product is ‘money’ then I understand your logic and also why this comic exists. At the most minimalist interpretation that inherent rentierism is an example of an unnecessary extraction of the value of labor from those who produce it.

    But again, this is about wages. You can’t slide between ‘wage earners’ and ‘owners’ any more than you can define ‘land’ and ‘landowners’ interchangeably.


  • If a farmer can’t buy the amount of grain he produces

    That’s not the premise at all. This isn’t about the ability to extract a 1-1 ratio. It’s not about extraction at all. It is posing that the wage earner is not free despite the value they produce.

    They’re producing products that increase that value. Grain into flour, flour into bread. Each phase of that labor is commodified around a wage which does not increase in value based on their produced value. Those wages earned are a portion of extracted value.

    The wage earner that produced the machinery was not paid a wage based on the value of grain produced. It’s something different. And that difference is where the wage earner is not free.

    To your credit you have posed scenarios where the farmers and laborers are also the owners of the operation, which is a big piece of this puzzle. But something of note:

    Same goes for whoever owns the land

    What is the productive labor that is ownership of land? What value has the landowner produced in the bread?


  • The point is the baker is not free when they must buy back the fruits of their labor with their wages.

    Neither is the farmer, if you’re adding it in. The farmer that harvests the fields for the money to buy a sack of grain is not free. Nor is a miller working to buy a sack of flour.

    Each produces more than they receive. The currency they recieve for their production is inadequate to enable their freedom.

    So if a farmer didn’t need to buy their grain back, or a baker their baked bread, then perhaps the fruits of their labor would be more effectively shared, instead of commodified and so attached to currency. (This is the concept known as labor owning the means of production.)

    You can argue about how currencies and commodification of labor is handled, but then we’re already on the right track, so to speak.






  • The basis of the issue had much to do with vernacular translations themselves. The practice of using various vernaculars overall meant different sermons, parables, lessons, etc. Fundamentally this meant churches were not considered in communion if they weren’t using Latin, and especially not if they weren’t using a Church approved Bible.

    So ultimately a monarch, the English king, specifically commissioning a vernacular Bible, was acting in direct defiance to the church and throwing fuel into that fire.

    I don’t think the Catholic church ever ‘accepted’ or ‘approved’ that version, or would.



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    The thing about World War 1 is that it was inevitable in the sense the grand alliance scheme demanded total conflict. The sphere of influence approach to peace and balancing powera militarily itself provoked worldwide conflict. Most of World War 1 was a detached elite refusing to recognize reality as they sent wave after wave of people into machinegun fire.

    By the time you’re going back to the root of it all you find yourself stabbing Caesar along with the rest of the time travellers.


  • A group of fighters is actually not a half bad setup, but requires a group that enjoys a focus on combat tactics. I played a few bits of a no magic campaign before. We all started with shields and spears as a military unit and then were allowed to multiclass from there without penalty into another martial class.

    It was all agreed upon beforehand though.