So, El? That sounds an awful lot like the Canaanite mythology that Judaism sprung from. Yahweh was just a hotheaded war & storm god in a wide pantheon headed by El.

Yeah, around me they usually use Greek labels, probably because of racism. But still owned and staffed by middle easterners. They’ll have gyros with tzatziki, but also shawarma with tahini.

Dude, you’ve been insulting in every reply. You fucking do better.

You were the one who fired the first shot with your first comment, coward.

Is there somewhere we can go that isn’t invaded by sycophantic corpo-Dem bootlickers? I’m really tired of them acting like everything is fine as long as they vote D and demonize any opposing opinion.

You’re what’s wrong with the Democratic base. You are actively hurling this country into fascism because you don’t care what happens as long as you feel morally superior.

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No, it’s an example of us having been on this ride before so we recognize the setup. It’s going to be yet another round of “now isn’t the time for progressives” even though anything else is just slower fascism.

A Newsom presidency would be better than Republicans, sure, but it’s going to continue the slide into fascism just like every neoliberal power grab does. We don’t need perfect, but a neoliberal doesn’t count as good.

Same, I don’t give a fuck what we have to call it. This current system is beyond broken, if we need to stroke the ego of the childish narcissist so be it.

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If you’re calling a business and leaving a voicemail they may not always have easy access to the number that placed the call either. It’s stupid, but it happens. And even if they do, it’s confirmation for them that the number to return the call is the same.

Yeah, that’s how I see him too. Assuming we even have elections by then, he’s gonna keep up this charade through a 2028 primary bid where all real establishment challengers magically drop out, immediately switch to more centrist rhetoric for the general and claim to the left that he’s just playing ball, and then proceed to have zero progressive accomplishments in office if he gets there.

I’m not who you responded to but I share sentiments with you both. I believed Bernie in his 2016 primary bid when he talked about reforming the Democratic Party from within. But beginning with how the rest of that primary played out, I’ve believed less and less that it’s the right plan. It was also a nice thing to hope for when we started getting a progressive coalition of Reps, including my own, but that movement seems pretty stalled too.

I’m of the opinion that it is still possible, and we might even still be moving in that direction, but the resistance from neo liberals has slowed the pace too successfully. We’re not moving fast enough and we’re consistently passing tipping points in the meantime. I’m more than ready to drop the baggage and try anew. It’s not without hardship and risks, but I legitimately don’t see the current plan as viable.

He has to go talk to his imaginary and very conservative friends first.

I disagree on one key point. My problem with the Democratic Party is not that they don’t satisfy my immediate wishes. In fact, it is very much the opposite.

Voting for them does satisfy my immediate wish in the general elections, which is always to keep the Republicans out of power. My problem with the Democrats is with the long term health of my country’s politics. There is a deep rot in the Democratic Party and always going for the easy path has led to that rot being ignored and festering into the sinister problem we have today. It was exposed in the most public manner to date in the 2016 primaries, and they’ve been covering it up and smearing anyone who is trying to address it ever since.

I firmly believe if we don’t root out this corruption in the Democratic Party, it does not matter what happens in the short term. Focusing only on one election at a time is what got us into this position. We have to fight the hard fight now while we still can, because we’re sliding into fascism if we don’t, no matter who wins elections. We were no farther from fascism after Biden’s term in office than we were before.

You’re so deep in denial that you’re just making up my replies now? K. Have fun with the fascism that you’re causing.

You’ve completely missed the point. I’ll reiterate the end: your rhetoric is causing people like me (not who behaved exactly like me, but who share an ideology that led to 3 increasingly difficult votes to execute) not to vote. You are working against your supposed goal and acting like a superior pompous ass shitting on the people that you help to make apathetic rather than put pressure on the corrupt Democratic Party.

Stop blaming nonvoters and put pressure on the Democratic Party to actually do something to inspire people. That’s their job to be good enough to get votes. Blame the actual problem, not the symptom. You only make the symptom worse by focusing on it and actively letting the problem fester.

What if someone else is in charge of the door and we all say “Hey I think those robbers are coming back, can we close and lock the door?” Then that person makes the door a little bit less ajar but still open and tells you to thank them. And you say “The door is still open, can we close it?” Then the door person walks away.

Yes, it’s the robber doing the robbing, but it’s also very much the fault of the person who chose to only address the problem in a superficial way.

I voted Dem in the general (after supporting exclusively progressives in the primary through donations and voting) because that’s what I believed to be the best solution to the short term problem of Trump. But I also believe that the implicit support of the Democratic Party’s practices by that vote is detrimental to the long term stability of our nation. Both choices (voting Dem despite their authoritarianism in the primaries or abstaining/voting third party) were a mixed bag of good and bad. I chose one, and I have gone on to be a steadfast and vocal critic of the Democratic Party’s practices to work against the implicit endorsement of my vote in the general.

You, instead, have doubled down on endorsing the Democratic Party’s practices by blaming people like me who had that same rock and a hard place vote and went a different direction. Both of those groups are trying to do the best thing for the country in the long term. Your unfounded and unprompted blaming of that group for the actions of the Republicans is absurd and counter-effective. This kind of narrative that you espouse is very much a factor in people who are on that fence not wanting to support a party that will try nothing and blame them anyway. That’s why you are at fault. Every time you post comments like that first one, you are helping the Republicans. And we’re 9 years past you getting to claim you don’t know that. So I blame you specifically for your contribution to the hostile environment on the left that is only helping the fascists.

You know how to know if you’re in the wrong? What would a malicious foreign agent do in order to keep the left weak? They could accomplish that very easily by going online and saying exactly what you do. And before you “no u” me, is anything I’ve said going to dissuade a Democratic voter from voting Democratic? That honor belongs to you.