I remember the powerball one and referenced in conversation just yesterday. I did have it saved too.

I think I agree with you about self awareness absolute self awareness is impossible. But I also think you can be partially aware of yourself, so not binary.

I accept I may have extrapolated my understanding of your argument, but I also did not have much to go on. My apologies.

Your statement about not being able to emulate consciousness is what I reacted to mostly. Feel free to fill in the blanks as I see not reasoning for that statement.

You made some absolute statements about consciousness that I don’t think you can back up. But I can’t fault you on not having proof, but at least be open to some thought experiments to challenge the concept.

Being self aware of myself and my surroundings but not aware of the entire world does not make me not self aware.

Same as an entity in a simulation could potentially be self aware but not aware of being in a simulation.

But you disregard the possibility that consciousness could be emulated. But get a sense that it comes from a “gut feeling” or some sort of “common sense” perspective. What nature of reality are you referring to, that I am ignoring?

Yes, I think you have a point that for it to be an illusion “something” has to perceive it.

I also think your reflection on consciousness being a some sort of process is interesting. Is it a “machine” process where one input+state always results in the same output? Regardless of the answers implication on agency and choice, the mystery is still that I feel aware. I cannot speak for you, but I think you’d tell me the same, even if you cannot prove it to me.

Regarding the emergence I think one aspect could be scale, and said emergence might not be binary. I listened to a Lex Friedman(think what you will about him) podcast episode with Michael Levin from Dec 3 which talks about things along these lines. Not directly related perhaps, it might be more geared towards intelligence, but you might also find it interesting.

I read it as consciousness being more of a “side effect”, rather than the thing a controls actions and “making choices”. So consciousness would then be more of a passive effect than driving change.

In that sense the illusion would be that consciousness has any agency, when it is instead a passive experience, a perception of control.

You say that with some confidence. What makes being aware of being a simulation a binary criteria for self awareness? You may just as well be in a simulation and probably see yourself as fairly self aware.

I also think those recreational spaces may be raised from street level. The perspective is not not meant to show any of that. Could be grocery stores etc. below it as well.

Well, go on a tell us the real story then.

You mean pedodollar?

Or at the very least pay it back.

Isn’t the problem with your example that a completely color blind person cannot differentiate the wavelength, but they can differentiate the intensity of light. I’m also mostly assuming here, that our light cones are sensitive to certain ranges of frequency and that is how we can differentiate different wavelengths.

The scientific and philosophical question is if we can prove that each person perceive those combination of signals the same way. The subjective experience.

Unless of course the color blindness is a “software” issue rather than a “hardware” issue.

Then they would need to know where you are as well.

You have a point, but perhaps try a softer tone next time. I think that would help your argument.

I think you’re doing your argument a disservice by comparing it to theory of gravity. But I do appreciate learning about this hypothesis and that there is actual experimentation going on. Thanks again for sharing.

Thanks, that’s an interesting read. Still stand by my opinion that your statement is overly confident in explaining consciousness.

Any source on your claim about consciousness? Sounds very speculative.

Yeah but it’s no the story here.

No, it’s that some executives allowed us law enforcement into operations that is not allowed by law in Mexico. And that US law enforcement embarrassed said executives by revealing failure to respect those laws. All parties probably learned something from this.

Does it not need to be scraped to be indexed, assuming it’s semi-typical RAG stuff?

Who has complained about that?