Meanwhile, your best source can’t even be called anything more than “allegations”.
And even if Israel isn’t committing genocide, they’re undoubtedly creating apartheid conditions and regularly committing war crimes including targeting medics and journalists. And they’re the country with all the power in this situation. We rarely look at the harm caused by black South Africans, or by 1910s–1920s Irish republicans, or American revolutionaries, and say that they were equally as bad as their oppressors.
I feel bad for the innocent Jewish Australians who are being targeted by attacks. I really do. But a significant part of the blame lies on Israel for drumming up anger towards Jews by its deliberate attempts to conflate antisemitism with antizionism, giving genuine antisemites a convenient shield to hide behind. And also with many of the more vocal prominent members of the Australian Jewish community for taking Israel’s side and helping share their propagandistic outlook.
Basically every reputable expert disagrees with you.
Really?
Various observers, including the UN Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices and the United Nations Special Rapporteur,[35] have cited statements by senior Israeli officials that may indicate an “intent to destroy” Gaza’s population in whole or in part, a necessary condition for the legal threshold of genocide to be met.[31][36][37]
They have statements that may indicate possibly the legal definition to be met, sounds solid, I would have thought millions of dead bodies would be a better indicator of a clear intent to genocide but they obviously don’t have those.
**Ghazi Hamad, a senior Hamas official, stated in a late October 2023 interview that the October 7 attack against Israel was just the beginning. He vowed to launch “a second, a third, a fourth” attack until the country was “annihilated”, asserting: “We are victims – everything we do is justified.”[26][27][28] **
So the exact same legal definition can be met here as well! A++ solid work UN
And they’re the country with all the power in this situation
And Good!
This is what the whole area would look like if Hamas had their way, the UN of course can be seen on a continent far away helping out by writing as many strongly worded letters as fast as it can.
Secondly the Islamic jihadi’s probably should have thought about that before they attempted to genocide Israel, their bad I guess?
they’re undoubtedly creating apartheid conditions
If Hamas wants less Palestinian deaths they are free to fight the IDF on the battlefield and prevent their citizens from dying instead of hiding in schools, hospitals, homes and cafes, but they won’t because they’ll lose, so this is the result
have cited statements by senior Israeli officials that may indicate an “intent to destroy” Gaza’s population in whole or in part, a necessary condition for the legal threshold of genocide to be met
Yikes. You somehow think that statement plays in your favour‽ Intent is a necessary legal prerequisite to genocide. But it’s not sufficient. You have to actually effect the death, relocation, or separation from their culture of a significant percentage of the targeted group. No reasonable person could claim that Hamas has done that, even if they may have the desire to do so.
This is what the whole area would look like if Hamas had their way
You mean Hamas, the militant organisation that was backed by Netanyahu specifically because Israel wanted to destabilise Palestine? That Hamas?
If Hamas wants less Palestinian deaths they are free to fight the IDF on the battlefield and prevent their citizens from dying instead of hiding in schools, hospitals, homes and cafes
Ooh. Love it. “It’s not war crimes because that child was Hamas. Totally. We swear.” Fuck off with that bullshit. You are an evil fucking bastard, trying to justify the wholesale slaughter of thousands of people whose only “crime” was pushing back against decades of severe oppression.
Nah I’ve done internet arguments since like 2001 back on overclockers australia and whirlpool and about 10 years ago decided that it’s mainly a waste of time, so I have a hard line with myself not to carry these arguments on, really not that interested in it anymore, I avoided looking at this thread 100 times but it got me on the 101st (that’s my fault)
I really wish coding gave the same dopamine spikes as arguing on the internet did… (anyway, back to coding)
Because I get a lot more entertainment out of arguing instead of agreeing? Isn’t this common?
If you want me to just agree with you feel free to post some anti russia pro ukraine/pro west threads and I’ll give you a solid uptoot and be on my way
So you support people defending their home when it’s Ukraine, but not when it’s Palestinians? What’s the difference?
You’re no better than the tankies whose support is the reverse of yours. They support aggressive imperialism in eastern Europe, you support it in the Middle East. It’s an ideological nonsense position.
Also
I get a lot more entertainment out of arguing instead of agreeing [with genocide]
Are you seriously just defending genocide because it’s fun? That’s sick. You’re not well.
Ok, so we’ve got genocide denial coming in right here.
Basically every reputable expert disagrees with you.
Meanwhile, your best source can’t even be called anything more than “allegations”.
And even if Israel isn’t committing genocide, they’re undoubtedly creating apartheid conditions and regularly committing war crimes including targeting medics and journalists. And they’re the country with all the power in this situation. We rarely look at the harm caused by black South Africans, or by 1910s–1920s Irish republicans, or American revolutionaries, and say that they were equally as bad as their oppressors.
I feel bad for the innocent Jewish Australians who are being targeted by attacks. I really do. But a significant part of the blame lies on Israel for drumming up anger towards Jews by its deliberate attempts to conflate antisemitism with antizionism, giving genuine antisemites a convenient shield to hide behind. And also with many of the more vocal prominent members of the Australian Jewish community for taking Israel’s side and helping share their propagandistic outlook.
Really?
They have statements that may indicate possibly the legal definition to be met, sounds solid, I would have thought millions of dead bodies would be a better indicator of a clear intent to genocide but they obviously don’t have those.
So the exact same legal definition can be met here as well! A++ solid work UN
And Good!
This is what the whole area would look like if Hamas had their way, the UN of course can be seen on a continent far away helping out by writing as many strongly worded letters as fast as it can.
Secondly the Islamic jihadi’s probably should have thought about that before they attempted to genocide Israel, their bad I guess?
If Hamas wants less Palestinian deaths they are free to fight the IDF on the battlefield and prevent their citizens from dying instead of hiding in schools, hospitals, homes and cafes, but they won’t because they’ll lose, so this is the result
Last post on this
Yikes. You somehow think that statement plays in your favour‽ Intent is a necessary legal prerequisite to genocide. But it’s not sufficient. You have to actually effect the death, relocation, or separation from their culture of a significant percentage of the targeted group. No reasonable person could claim that Hamas has done that, even if they may have the desire to do so.
You mean Hamas, the militant organisation that was backed by Netanyahu specifically because Israel wanted to destabilise Palestine? That Hamas?
Ooh. Love it. “It’s not war crimes because that child was Hamas. Totally. We swear.” Fuck off with that bullshit. You are an evil fucking bastard, trying to justify the wholesale slaughter of thousands of people whose only “crime” was pushing back against decades of severe oppression.
Realised you weren’t getting the 3aw reaction you were hoping for?
Nah I’ve done internet arguments since like 2001 back on overclockers australia and whirlpool and about 10 years ago decided that it’s mainly a waste of time, so I have a hard line with myself not to carry these arguments on, really not that interested in it anymore, I avoided looking at this thread 100 times but it got me on the 101st (that’s my fault)
I really wish coding gave the same dopamine spikes as arguing on the internet did… (anyway, back to coding)
Why would you want to carry on arguments wherein you’re defending genocide. That’s what I don’t understand. What do you get out of that?
Because I get a lot more entertainment out of arguing instead of agreeing? Isn’t this common?
If you want me to just agree with you feel free to post some anti russia pro ukraine/pro west threads and I’ll give you a solid uptoot and be on my way
So you support people defending their home when it’s Ukraine, but not when it’s Palestinians? What’s the difference?
You’re no better than the tankies whose support is the reverse of yours. They support aggressive imperialism in eastern Europe, you support it in the Middle East. It’s an ideological nonsense position.
Also
Are you seriously just defending genocide because it’s fun? That’s sick. You’re not well.
You noticed I left out the genocide mention but didn’t pickup on why, you are free to read my original response to you back at the beginning
Anyway detaching from this whole thread now