Basically, It would be nice to point out what those platforms are & what are their “Killer Features”
For anyone who wants a quick glance at which platform might be suitable
- Lemmy pros: Fast, mature, everyone knows it
- Lemmy cons: Shouty communists, atrocious mod tools
- Mbin pros: Follow Mastodon people
- Mbin cons: (1) Ugly (2) Awkward (3) What the fuck is “Magazines”
- Piefed pros: Python, some semblance of responsiveness to what features people actually want in it
- Piefed cons: What the fuck is a Piefed
(all is satire, I love you guys)
I can’t emphasize enough how bad Lemmy’s moderation tools are. It’s not just that they’re abysmally anemic (including that you can’t perform moderator actions on someone in your community without a comment of theirs to click the context menu on? what??). It’s not just that reports don’t synchronize correctly across instances (i.e. if you want to moderate a community on another instance, you’re at a severe disadvantage). It’s that they’re wildly fragmented, presented just all over the place like some kind of scavenger hunt.
- As I said previously, the context menu of a comment is the only way you can ban and unban users (except that you actually can ban them if you use the API directly).
- Moderation has zero hierarchy, so 1) any moderator if they want to can perform a Night of the Long Knives and become the sole moderator (fine for now when admins can quickly intervene, but impossibly stupid if Lemmy ever became bigger), and 2) every moderator has access to all of the tools (including appointing other mods).
- You can’t view a list of banned users and unban them from there; this gets back into point 1 where you need to dig up the last comment on your community (not easily if you removed it) to unban them.
- On Voyager (third-party mobile app), I have more tools than I do on desktop, which indicates to me that the tools are there in the API but just aren’t exposed on desktop for some god-forsaken reason.
I literally can’t even view a per-community modlog on desktop. I have to go out and find the Lemmy.World modlog (usually from a search engine) and then filter by action and pray that it was recent enough that I can find it in the rest of the heap.Oh, but don’t worry. There’s a third-party tool for viewing the modlog, which is just ??? What the fuck?? How is this in some random tool you have to go searching for instead of in Lemmy proper? And even then, this tool has its flaws.
Edit: obviously no automod either, although I know that’s a much larger undertaking than any of the things I’ve listed thus far.
You’re on LW, newer versions of Lemmy are better in that regard.
https://tesseract.dubvee.org/ is a better frontend for moderation. Allows you to see votes as a mod, and ban users who never commented or posted.
I literally can’t even view a per-community modlog on desktop.
There’s an orange “modlog” button in the sidebar of every community that shows the community modlog?
Whoops! I didn’t even notice the Modlog because (at least for me) it’s tucked away at the very bottom of the sidebar and nestled between the list of mods and some statistics I don’t really care too much about. :P Genuinely my bad, though; I should’ve looked harder. Appreciate it now that I can finally see it!
Don’t get too excited. It seems to be missing a bunch of stuff.
I don’t really know the explanation for why the Lemmy API seems to just randomly drop stuff out of the modlog if it’s more than 5-10 entries long, but you’ll have to search for the exact stuff you’re specifically looking for a lot of the time. Maybe I am misunderstanding what I’m seeing but I’ve gotten the strong impression that’s what I’m seeing. It’s similar to how looking at a user’s profile randomly drops comments out after a certain time and just switches to posts only, so it’s hard to search through for specific stuff you’re looking for. Apparently that is going to be fixed in 0.20.
The Tesseract front end is just completely superior for moderation imo. It took me a little bit of getting used to, but it is clean
On Voyager (third-party mobile app), I have more tools than I do on desktop, which indicates to me that the tools are there in the API but just aren’t exposed on desktop for some god-forsaken reason.
Apollo was also better at moderating Reddit than whatever Reddit could put out so you could say Voyager goes above and beyond at cloning Apollo.
What the fuck is “Magazines”
This but unironically. I could never get over it with Kbin and still can’t with Mbin. It’s a bad name for a community/sub and I’ll die on that hill. You can never get me to call a meme shitpost an “article” in a “magazine”.
tl;dr:
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Lemmy for apps (shit moderation tools)
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Piefed for fast development rate, responsive dev and great features (no apps at all)
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Mbin for keeping your forum and microblog account in one place (really awkward to use)
Piefed is almost perfect, if it actually had apps then it’d probably blow all of these out the water (in my opinion, of course)
Can’t go wrong with any.
Thunder is being forked for piefed. Once this happens I’ll move to piefed full time. In the mean time we should think of a better band and logo for piefed which the creator said he’s open to changing
I heard of that, but I also like to use a third party web client like photon or tesseract too. Piefed is still new so it doesn’t have the same level of support as Lemmy does. Thunder being ported is a huge step imo and a path for more apps and clients being created or ported to it.
Looking forward to it!!
You can’t use Lemmy apps with piefed? I thought the API was the same?
No, that’s sublinks which isn’t finished yet.
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Mbin has better support for microblogs and Mastodon federation than Lemmy. I also prefer the default front-end of Mbin to Lemmy, but Lemmy has better alternative frontends and apps. I think it’s great to support Mbin as well.
I use Lemmy because there’s a good ad free app (jerboa)
Yeah jeroboa is awesome! They did great work.
Good? Hah
(Written in jerboa, constantly fighting with the keyboard bugs the devs refuse to fix)
Piefed/mbin both have better fediverse integration with other platforms. Lemmy has the numbers and is super fast + apps.
