Far Left Radicals in Europe and the Americas are generally defined as anti-establishment, anarchist, marxist-leninist, and/or maoist.
For just one of many examples, Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA) has a couple thousand members and… oh… look at that, they’re a militant group who oppose NATO. They were originally funded by the Joseph Stalin administration in Russia.
And this is like the best most centrist example of a legitimate radical group. They’ve got 105 year history and they avoided spoiling Democrat candidates in elections for over 30 years. But they’re still violent extremists who advocate for foreign dictatorships.
CPUSA is campist, which is a common tendency in every large political bloc. Those who dogmatically defend the US and NATO are not much different from those who dogmatically oppose them, intellectually speaking. When looking outside the overton window campists can seem like the only representatives of their ideological tendency, but they’re just the most visible. Campists who support the status quo fly under the radar due to their sheer number; it’s the default position for those who have not developed strong political opinions of their own.
There’s a pretty big fucking difference between those who oppose the world’s largest defence pact and deterrent to World War 3 and those who support it.
You’re misinterpreting what I said. I said that those who dogmatically support or oppose NATO are not much different, in that their reasons are similar. That’s why I referred to campism - the belief that the world is divided into large, competing political groups of countries (“camps”) and that people should support the camp that promotes their ideology. It’s a sort of lesser-evilism that people with all sorts of different ideologies fall into, and it can end up being used as a thought-terminating cliche. When you dismiss everyone with leftist ideologies by pointing to some campists who oppose NATO as the representatives of the entire “radical left,” you are doing this yourself. It robs the discussion of nuance and turns it into a contest between sports teams.
Yes I heard you, and I disagreed with you because you equate people who want hundreds of millions if not billions of people to die so that the strongest and most brutal nations can expand, with people who directly oppose exactly that outcome. These things are not questionable or simply hypotheticals, we’ve tested it. NATO prevents war, lack of NATO brings war.
The absence of conflict is not the same as the presence of justice. Maintaining peace and order is not always the most important thing, the very same logic is used by oppressive regimes to justify crushing dissent. I am not one of those people who supports Russian imperialism, which is why I take such issue with your characterization of the entire “radical left” as such. NATO maintains peace, yes, but it also maintains a status quo that is unjust. I do not want imperialism to continue, regardless of whether it is carried out by Russia or Western countries.
it’s a 2 way street.
respect is freely given and easily lost.
Okay but those radicals in question basically oppose everyone mainstream, so they’re definitely not giving respect by default.
Say who you mean.
Far Left Radicals in Europe and the Americas are generally defined as anti-establishment, anarchist, marxist-leninist, and/or maoist.
For just one of many examples, Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA) has a couple thousand members and… oh… look at that, they’re a militant group who oppose NATO. They were originally funded by the Joseph Stalin administration in Russia.
And this is like the best most centrist example of a legitimate radical group. They’ve got 105 year history and they avoided spoiling Democrat candidates in elections for over 30 years. But they’re still violent extremists who advocate for foreign dictatorships.
CPUSA is campist, which is a common tendency in every large political bloc. Those who dogmatically defend the US and NATO are not much different from those who dogmatically oppose them, intellectually speaking. When looking outside the overton window campists can seem like the only representatives of their ideological tendency, but they’re just the most visible. Campists who support the status quo fly under the radar due to their sheer number; it’s the default position for those who have not developed strong political opinions of their own.
There’s a pretty big fucking difference between those who oppose the world’s largest defence pact and deterrent to World War 3 and those who support it.
You’re misinterpreting what I said. I said that those who dogmatically support or oppose NATO are not much different, in that their reasons are similar. That’s why I referred to campism - the belief that the world is divided into large, competing political groups of countries (“camps”) and that people should support the camp that promotes their ideology. It’s a sort of lesser-evilism that people with all sorts of different ideologies fall into, and it can end up being used as a thought-terminating cliche. When you dismiss everyone with leftist ideologies by pointing to some campists who oppose NATO as the representatives of the entire “radical left,” you are doing this yourself. It robs the discussion of nuance and turns it into a contest between sports teams.
Yes I heard you, and I disagreed with you because you equate people who want hundreds of millions if not billions of people to die so that the strongest and most brutal nations can expand, with people who directly oppose exactly that outcome. These things are not questionable or simply hypotheticals, we’ve tested it. NATO prevents war, lack of NATO brings war.
The absence of conflict is not the same as the presence of justice. Maintaining peace and order is not always the most important thing, the very same logic is used by oppressive regimes to justify crushing dissent. I am not one of those people who supports Russian imperialism, which is why I take such issue with your characterization of the entire “radical left” as such. NATO maintains peace, yes, but it also maintains a status quo that is unjust. I do not want imperialism to continue, regardless of whether it is carried out by Russia or Western countries.