Well let’s tax them more and stop that. That may we will go into a recession where the less affluent will bear the brunt of it.

  • BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    2 months ago

    I like the pain level argument.

    we can’t have a conversation if you won’t be intellectually honest

    Then please directly answer the many questions I’ve posed which you refuse to acknowledge, like the ones in my previous message on this thread. It’s a two-way street dude.

    • Neuromancer@lemm.eeOPM
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      Then please directly answer the many questions I’ve posed which you refuse to acknowledge, like the ones in my previous message on this thread. It’s a two-way street dude.

      It’s not my job is answer every strange question you ask. I focus on the ones that make sense and ignore the others.

      We have a spending problem in this country. The democrat gave tricked to think it’s a taxing issue. It isn’t. We could take all the billionaires money and we’d still not cover our spending for a year.

      We need to spend less.

      • BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        2 months ago

        I focus on the ones that make sense and ignore the others.

        They all make sense, some just make you uncomfortable.

        we have a spending problem in this country.

        I somewhat agree, but it’s not as simple as just that.

        the democrat gave tricked to think it’s a taxing issue.

        Can you please retype this so it makes better sense so I can respond? Or at least understand?

        we could take all the billionaires money and we’d still not cover our spending for a year.

        Have we reached the point in the Democrat President’s term where Conservatives remember that the national debt is a thing? How much did the last guy contribute to that vs the current guy?

        • Neuromancer@lemm.eeOPM
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          the democrat gave tricked to think it’s a taxing issue.

          The Democrats tricked you into thinking it’s a taxing issue.

          • BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            2 months ago

            Doubt it. I’m skeptical of what the Democrats say as well. Although I have historically aligned with them more than Republicans, they are not our friends either.

            What do you mean specifically by “taxing issue”? It’s multi-faceted and TBH we’ve been only barely mentioning specifics in this thread without drilling down into the “why” so you’ll have to be more descriptive.

            One thing I know Democrats haven’t tricked me on is how much each president has contributed to our country’s spending problem. The democrat president always seems to be the least awful at this.

            • Neuromancer@lemm.eeOPM
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              2 months ago

              This president has been one of the worst. The last president who really did a decent job with spending was Clinton. Otherwise, they have all spent more than they brought it.

              The Democrats want you to believe if the top 5% paid more then all our problems would be solved. It wouldn’t. We spend too much as a country. The only way to tax our way our of it is everyone pays their fair share and stop expecting 5% to pay the bulk of the taxes. The top 5% pays the bulk of the taxes far larger than their income.

              You can tax your way out of stupid spending.

              • BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                2 months ago

                The current president also reduced the spending of the federal government from the level the previous administration had brought it to.

                I’m happy with how the situation has improved over the last 3 years. It could have been better, but the downward spending trend is welcome.

                Im more upset that he led bipartisan congressional action to end the rail worker strike for demanding safer conditions and fair wages, increased defense spending and completely punted the infrastructure issue.

                It’s not just a spending problem. There are also problems with the tax code itself, loopholes the rich can use to reduce their tax contributions, military overspending, IRS audits not being done on the richest who are overestimating their debt and underestimate their assets, and so many other problems that are not specific to whatever president we currently have.

                Fact is, we could do to reduce spending but even taxing the wealthiest just a little more and putting a stop to some of the techniques used to minimize their tax burden would itself be enough to meaningfully pay down the national debt, and probably fund other social benefits as well.

                • Neuromancer@lemm.eeOPM
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  2 months ago

                  It’s not just a spending problem. There are also problems with the tax code itself, loopholes the rich can use to reduce their tax contributions, military overspending, IRS audits not being done on the richest who are overestimating their debt and underestimate their assets, and so many other problems that are not specific to whatever president we currently have.

                  A lot of wrongness in this. There are no loopholes. The system is designed the way it is. Don’t ever think it was a mistake.

                  We don’t overspend on the military. We are slightly above our NATO commitment.

                  IRS audits the wealthy, guess what, when you hire a lawyer and account to do your taxes they are often accurate.

                  • BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    2 months ago

                    There are no loopholes. The system is designed the way it is. Don’t ever think it was a mistake.

                    Those are the loopholes ;)

                    We don’t overspend on the military. We are slightly above our NATO commitment.

                    ….which is based on our current spending. We spend more than the next 3 countries combined and continually raise the budget. Democrat AND Republican Presidents both do this.

                    IRA audits the wealthy

                    Well they’re trying, but thanks to the budget cuts both by the former president AND current House, they can’t go after all of them :(

                    Also I like that your arguments basically contradict each other. Does the IRS audit the wealthy or is it setup to let them not pay taxes? Hmmmmmmmm