Australia’s Mona asked a court to reverse its ruling that allowed men inside a women’s only space.

Archived version: https://archive.ph/oHT6U

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    And I find this funny, but in the sad way ☹️

    Folks trying to fight sexual discrimination with sexual discrimination… 🤦‍♂️

    Those that dispute, fight and argue about such things that way don’t even seem to realize that they’re just contributing to the problem.

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      I just have to completely disagree. Art has consistently served to challenge the status quo and provoke thought and discussion, and this exhibit has absolutely excelled in that regard.

      Now the artist is moving on to explore existing discrimination exemptions under the law in Tasmania:

      In fact the Lounge already possesses many of the redeeming qualities listed in the verdict that would make it eligible for an exemption under section 27 of the Anti-Discrimination Act 1998 (Tas). Where it isn’t already eligible, a number of minor adjustments should bring us into compliance.

      The law states that a person may discriminate on the ground of gender:

      (a) in a religious institution, if it is required by the doctrines of the religion of the institution; or

      (b) in education, if it is for the purpose of enrolment in one-gender schools or hostels; or

      © in employment, if it is for the purpose of the residential care of persons under the age of 18 years; or

      (d) in employment, if it is based on a genuine occupational qualification or requirement in relation to a particular position; or

      (e) in accommodation, if it is shared accommodation for less than 5 adult persons; or

      (f) in the provision or use of facilities, if those facilities are reasonably required for use by persons of one gender only.

      Interviewer: You believe the artwork can continue to operate under a legal exemption? Which of these exemptions will apply?

      All of them.

      https://mona.net.au/blog/2024/05/interview-with-kirsha-kaechele-about-the-ladies-lounge

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        Quoting the law doesn’t make the laws right in any regard. I’m pretty sure that if you asked Picasso, if he were alive of course, that he would heavily protest the discrimination and encourage anyone mature enough to view his works.

        Same typically goes for almost any artist. They didn’t go through the trouble of creating the art only to end up with others saying who does or doesn’t get to view it.

        Matter of fact, did Picasso or any of the other artists leave a will? Or for any of the artists that might still be alive or with living descendants, do they get a word in about it?

        They should.

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          She’s not saying the law is right…

          Also Picasso was a renowned chauvinist and misogynist who had affairs with teenagers as a 70 year old and put out a cigarette on the cheek of the mother of two of his children

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            How does everyone know my last name?

            Not all Chauvins fit that stereotype. Would be nice if people would stop using my last name as a broad insult. But hell, I can’t expect discriminatory people to leave my family name out of their mouth.

            That would be too much like a step in the right direction.

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                Nah not really. I’m almost 42 years old and have heard my last name used as a sexist insult my whole life.

                People that use that word in an insulting manner are sexist. You just used that word.

                You just did a 2+2. Maybe you should try doing a 2-2, and remove that and other sexist terms from your descriptive vocabulary.

                It’s not an adjective, it’s a family name.

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                  I’m gonna need an explanation for how using a word in context with its dictionary definition is “sexist.” Sorry this is unpleasant for you, but I’ve never come across someone with the last name “Chauvin” and been like “oh there goes that chauvinist.” Lots of last names have entered English as descriptors of things, eg sadism from the Marquis de Sade and masochism from Leopold von Sacher-Masoch.

                  chauvinism (n.)

                  1840, “exaggerated, blind nationalism; patriotism degenerated into a vice,” from French chauvinisme (1839), from the character Nicholas Chauvin, soldier of Napoleon’s Grand Armee, who idolized Napoleon and the Empire long after it was history, in the Cogniards’ popular 1831 vaudeville “La Cocarde Tricolore.” The meaning was extended to “excessive belief in the superiority of one’s race” in late 19c. in communist jargon, and to (male) “sexism” in late 1960s via male chauvinist (q.v.).

                  Anyway, the point is Picasso was terrible to women. Many women.

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                    Yes, Nicholas is at the very top of my official knighted family tree. Again, it’s a family name. Should never have been used in any sort of derogatory adjective form, whether back in 1840 or in 1960, or anywhere in between or since.

                    Believe me, I know my roots, and I know that I don’t agree with the sexism use of my last name. You’re quoting a definition that came up in a very prejudiced era from the 1960s, back when certain people weren’t allowed to do certain things, such as drink from the wrong water fountain.

                    You sure do seem to know a lot about these antiquated discriminatory words don’t you? Have you considered trying to like not refer to dictionaries written in discriminatory times?

                    Back on point, yes I’ve gathered that Picasso wasn’t all that great of a dude. Neither was Mozart, he had a shit fetish. Does that stop people from appreciating their artistic works?

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                    Also, and this is the last I’ll comment, since you brought up ancient dictionary terms. The N word used to be defined as a tool.

                    But I have better sense than to carry on antiquated offensive words in that way. I’d hope others can learn to try dropping offensive use of words in their modern vocabulary as well.

                    You’re not wrong though, Picasso and others were a bit pervy. So was Albert Einstein. And yes that’s very disappointing.

                    You have every right to object to their works if you want. That doesn’t mean that mature people shouldn’t be allowed to view and critique their works in their own way.

                    I hope we can agree to disagree, but yeah I don’t use the 1800’s definition of a ‘tool’, because it’s 2024 and I have more respect than to refer to antiquated dictionaries for insulting words.

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                    I’ll make one last short response…

                    Your comments strike me as if you’d be the type to support adding the name “Karen” to the official dictionary as an official insult and ruin the name for more than a century.

                    Maybe you could reflect on that and actually try to help break that pattern, and help let innocent people have a name that isn’t insulted another century from now.

                    Or maybe you’d like to bring up Albert and Elsa Einstein? Sure, let’s just not appreciate the works of creative people because they did inappropriate things…

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        in a religious institution, if it is required by the doctrines of the religion of the institution

        How’s she planning to have this law apply? Create a woman-only sect of the FSM?

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          I recommend you read the interview I linked above, she goes into great detail about this and frankly it’s amazing