Hi there, I’m a registered nurse in Phoenix, Arizona and I’m seriously considering moving abroad because this country is driving me insane for a lot of reasons. I was considering moving to Israel since I’m Jewish and I’ve heard they have a better healthcare system there and pay nurses well but this war has made me not really consider that anymore, so I’m open to suggestions. Thanks

  • jeffw@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Personally, as a fellow Jewish leftist I’d advise against moving to Israel. If you think politics are toxic here (maybe I’m reading into what you mean by things driving you insane), Israel is much worse. I’m not sure which countries have the easiest visa process but you probably have some flexibility as an RN. You could look into a travel nurse job that lets you move across Europe and try a few different places out.

    • JewishLeftist@lemmy.worldOP
      19·
      6 months ago

      By driving me insane, I was in fact referring to the rightward drift of the US. And I don’t just mean Trump, but the entire GOP and the fact the only opposition to them is the limp centrist Democratic Party. So yeah, Israel is probably much worse post 10/7.

      Europe would be cool, Germany especially though I’ve heard its less safe now.

      • jeffw@lemmy.world
        5·
        6 months ago

        If you’re concerned about a rightward drift, you’re not going to like many places in Europe. I also wouldn’t leave a country because of a temporary political shift. America’s left is more powerful now than it’s been in close to 100 years and it’s only growing with the next generation. If politics is the main reason you want to leave, I’d seriously encourage you to rethink things. That seems very shortsighted, especially given the political tide in Europe.

          • jeffw@lemmy.world
            2·
            6 months ago

            Than the US? Eastern Europe, sure. A lot of the rest is heading in the wrong direction, whereas the US seems to be moving in the right (left) direction.

            • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
              2·
              6 months ago

              This isn’t the impression that I get about the US at all.

              The conservative movement is stronger than ever. Half the country wants to install a conservative dictator?

              Youth have always been left leaning. For every Gen Z vegan pouting about climate change there’s a thirty something that just bought their own home and decided that things are “ok just as they are”.

              Since the advent of social media politics across the globe has been sliding to the right and I don’t see that trajectory changing in the imminent future.

              • jeffw@lemmy.world
                2·
                6 months ago

                As a millennial 30-something, my ilk are only slightly left of the older generation. Gen Z, of which I have some (in-law) siblings, is different. These are kids who saw the Trump shit, even if they didn’t totally understand it all. But it left an impression. They are also way more open minded and waaaay less religious. That alone indicates a shift left. And the old adage of shifting right in your 30s/40s has not held for millennials. Assuming it doesn’t hold for Gen X (why would it?), the US is going in a promising direction.

                One problem we do have is an activation of boomer voters in response to this stuff. But y’know what Gen X has that Boomers don’t? Time.

      • Knuschberkeks@feddit.de
        5·
        6 months ago

        I’m a nurse in germany. From what I hear from colleagues who studied/worked abroad, the job is very different in Germany than most other countries. (I haven’t met anyone who worked in the US.) Mostly, nursing in germany involves a lot less medical tasks, which are reserved for doctors. In turn you’ll do a lot more bedside care.

          • Knuschberkeks@feddit.de
            7·
            6 months ago

            I had to google what that is. According to this link https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/careers/what-does-a-patient-care-technician-do It involves a lot of the same tasks. I do everything that is listed there, except escorting patients and cleaning rooms. But i also have more tasks. I administer medication (I can only administer medication prescribed by a doctor). I change dressings. I do lots of coordination (e.g. with the surgery or radiology team, also stuff around release, like how does the patient get home, where does a patient go if he can’t live alone anymore, where do they get their medication, who will change dressings etc.). I’m also the first responder in an emergency like cardiac arrest. I should probably add that this will vary across hospitals. I work in a mid size hospital (about 500 beds). Generally the bigger the hospital the more additional staff is there to take over some of the “patient care technician tasks” from nurses. Also there are obviously jobs a nurse can do that involve medical tasks that almost exclusively, like working in an emergency room or as a surgical assistant.

      • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
        3·
        6 months ago

        It’s as safe as it ever was and much safer than most places here in Germany. But you’ll need to speak German to get a job in the healthcare sector here. And the pay isn’t great.

  • kava@lemmy.world
    19·
    6 months ago

    There are right wing populists in virtually every democracy these days. It’s not an issue unique to the US. I think it’s a byproduct of our times. Economic uncertainty + geopolitical tensions and war = hard shift to the right.

      • Obi@sopuli.xyz
        1·
        6 months ago

        Definitely, while it’s true everywhere is shifting right, the US is starting off from a much further right starting point.

    • png@discuss.tchncs.de
      0·
      6 months ago

      Yes but Germany saw millions of protestors over a sub-20% party. In the US, 50% of people want to vote in someone who is openly fascist and wants to abolish democracy and round up immigrants in camps.

      • kava@lemmy.world
        3·
        6 months ago

        Couple of things

        There was a 62% voter turnout in the 2020 election. 46.8% of voters voted for Trump.

        0.62 x 0.468 = .290

        So actually, 29% of people voted for Trump.

        If we do the same calculation for AfD in 2021. 76.6% voter turnout in Germany and AfD got 10.4% of votes.

        0.766 x 0.104 = 0.799

        So the difference looks like 29% to 8% US to Germany.

        But you have to remember the US and Germany are different political systems. There are only two parties in the US, so each of the big parties (DNC, GOP) have many different factions. Moderate Republicans would be an entirely different party from Trumpian “MAGA” Republicans if the US had a party system like Germany.

        They functionally ally together in order to form a government, much like different parties will do in parliamentary systems in Europe.

        So if we for example take the center-right Christian conservative party and add that to AfD, which in my opinion more closely resembles the GOP, we get the following numbers.

        76.6% voter turnout. AfD got 10.4% of votes. CDU got 24.1% of votes.

        0.766 x (0.104 + 0.241) = .264

        So we’re actually looking at a ratio more like 29% US to 26% Germany. Fundamentally not that different.

        And last thing I’d like to add. Shifts in the political Overton window like we’re seeing right now happens at an exponential rate. It’s why Germany in the early 1900s went from a liberal democratic society to full blown Fascist dictatorship fairly quickly.

        I think the process has started in the US first, but the movement is shifting to other countries too. US news is emphasized because of the importance of the US as a superpower, but this process of the hard shift to the right is happening in many countries.

        We see it not only in certain parties gaining ground like Fratelli d’Italia, Sweden Democrats, Rassemblement National, Alternative für Deutschland, etc - but the rhetoric changing. Anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim rhetoric that would be rare a decade or two ago is seeing a large increase.

        We see populist like Argentina’s Milei, Brazil’s Bolsonaro, Canada’s Poilievre, etc all following the footsteps of Trump and being wildly successful. People globally feel insecure and it’s a ripe environment for these types of right-wing populists.

        I view the US as the leader of the Zietgiest right now, much like Germany was the leader of the Zietgiest during WW2. It’s leading the pack, but we’re all headed towards the same destination.

  • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world
    8·
    6 months ago

    Working in healthcare --> always consider Norway, because they pay good and their system is well funded. That’s so much more than you can say about most other countries.

  • KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world
    7·
    6 months ago

    Germany is desperate for nurses, currently. Just a heads-up though: Whether you’ll feel welcomed here sadly still depends on your skin color! And most Jews don’t show their heritage and faith publicly, again sadly for good reason.

  • Gonzako@lemmy.world
    5·
    6 months ago

    Spain? We’ve free Healthcare, lots of British and German immigrate here to escape the bad weather. I’ve never seen any jew communities in Spain but I don’t believe you’ll be in trouble for having said faith.

  • Boozilla@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    6 months ago

    Sorry if this seems lazy, but Canada has a decent population of Jews. Since you are a nurse, you have a better chance of getting in. Obviously there’s a ton of paperwork involved, but might be worth looking into.

    If you speak French, France might also be a good choice. Hella good worker’s rights there.

    • JewishLeftist@lemmy.worldOP
      5·
      6 months ago

      Not to brag but I speak French, Hebrew and German alongside English.

      Yeah I’ve heavily considered Canada though ironically it seems they’re going to elect their own Trump and might become more like the US. Still, I’m seriously considering it.

      • Boozilla@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        6 months ago

        Not a brag, your languages very relevant to finding a new place to live.

        I wish good folks would stay and fight. But at the same time, I don’t blame anyone for leaving.

          • Boozilla@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            6 months ago

            I get it. I have friends and family who want to emigrate if orange idiot gets elected.

            • JewishLeftist@lemmy.worldOP
              2·
              6 months ago

              Yeah I mean I’m a woman so the fact he wants to end abortion rights once and for all alone makes me want to leave…

              • Boozilla@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                6 months ago

                I’m hopeful–perhaps naively so–that he’s pissed off most of the women voters and he will lose. The justice system is taking way too long to put him in prison where he belongs.

  • Squizzy@lemmy.world
    5·
    6 months ago

    Ireland. English speaking, need nurses, Americans move here handy enough. Your faith wont matter.

  • Foofighter@discuss.tchncs.de
    4·
    6 months ago

    I don’t want to botch your plans but you gotta keep in mind that the educational systems in the EU and US are very different. Being a RN might not mean a lot abroad. I Germany there is however a lack of nurses and programs to recruit internationally. Maybe the situation is similar in other EU countries.

    Where ever you are planing to go: Compare salaries cost of living, and what is publicly funded and what not. I think many people are turned off from moving because salaries are lower…

    • raef@lemmy.world
      2·
      6 months ago

      An RN degree in the US is often a bachelor’s degree. They didn’t really have university degrees for nurses in Germany (there are nursing management degrees). There is obviously a licensing test, but that should be the only barrier.

  • bitwaba@lemmy.world
    3·
    6 months ago

    In the UK visas are awarded on a points system. You get X number of points for having a college degree, Y points for it being in a certain field, etc. from what I’ve been told, nurses and doctors immediately qualify for all points required to get a visa just based on profession

    However, as someone that moved to the UK 13 years ago, I don’t consider it a great destination. Prexit really screwed everything up. Having an EU passport would have been an incredible complement to my US passport, but now a British passport is no more useful that my American passport, especially since most of my travel is to the European continent. Also, the NHS is being gutted continually so in all id just say it’s not the most desirable location if you’re in the healthcare field.

    At minimum, I’d look at countries that are properly in the EU, which includes Ireland. Other countries in western Europe would be great as well I think, depending on what kind of life you’re looking to live in. Something I’ve noticed is that generally Europe very quickly transitions from city to countryside. In the US you’ll get suburbs that stretch for dozens of miles past the core infrastructure of the nearest major city, where as in Europe it’s usually straight to farming fields and two lane roads.

    France, Belgium, Netherlands, Spain and Germany would all be excellent locations to start a new life in healthcare I think. Each of those (except the Netherlands maybe) would expect you to be working towards fluency in their language though, so if you’re not interested in learning a foreign language that is definitely something to consider - which is why Ireland and Dublin specifically is so desirable to Tech companies and has been for the last 15 years.

    In general I would say that as someone in the healthcare field, you do have a job that is valued highly as far as getting a visa is concerned in Europe.