Sports? Marriage? Relationships? Professional environment? Pronouns?

Does it change based on the cause of the person’s intersex diagnosis?

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    Something that’s turned me off of “modern” conservatism is that “modern” MAGA assholes simply refuse to believe that intersex people exist.

    A reasonable Conservative following Jesus’s word should note that Jesus hung out with the leapers, Jesus not just condoned but celebrated heretics like the Samaritans, and Jesus always favored the “outsider’s opinion”. A true Christian should always be accepting of others, including Intersex people. Especially intersex, they are creations of God and if you believe that God is good then the creation of God is good.

    The problems occur when the assholes start to think that Intersex is bad, anti-conservative, anti-religion or some shit. Then all of a sudden you trigger the fight-or-flight response and Conservatives lash out. There’s also a degree of historic anti-gay writings in the Bible (ex: Sodom, as well as some writings from Paul), that somehow get wrapped up into intersex issues (somehow gay == intersex in some unstudied people’s brains?!?!? Or something). I don’t want to get into homosexuality and the Bible as that’s another subject but note that ancient Roman and Greek practice of homosexuality was a bit child-rapey and Paul’s writings may have not necessarily been talking about homosexuals in general (but instead: Paul was likely focused on the kinds that were more common in the time period, which we would find disgusting by modern standards)

    In any case, I feel like the religious interpretation is clear. Every person is holy, outsiders are welcome. If you need to denegrate Intersex individuals and call them diseased (like the Leapers of Biblical time), whatever, that’s still a group of people Jesus explicitly called out as holy, as the Leapers were more ready and willing to accept Jesus’s preaching than the Pharisees. But I’m not even comfortable with the Leaper -> Intersex comparison myself as that implies some kind of disease. Still, I think its a good crutch that more Christians should lean upon if you’re finding yourself anti-Intersex.


    A lot of modern Conservatism is actually warned against by Jesus and the various parables of the Pharisees. Its not that “Jews” in general were problematic, but certain… cults? Certain… ways of thought and ideologies… are based on false pride and false-understanding of the scriptures. And smarter people find themselves in this doom loop where you want to join the people who have studied more (the Pharisees were scribes and scholars)… but you end up missing the forest for the trees.

    Jesus always said to take a step back and look at the big picture, rather than being so focused on scripture. Scripture can be interpreted incorrectly, to the point where the Pharisees scholars create a conspiracy to literally kill and crucify Jesus. The fact that the core Easter message is lost upon modern Conservatives is ironic.

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    Imo, do whatever you want. The only caveat is in very specific situations like women’s sports, where fairness is an issue. Testosterone is a steroid, and is banned from most leagues. Unfortunately, mtf trans women still produce steroids, and is unfair to cis women. And since the whole point of women’s sports is for them to be able to compete fairly, trans women are in a bind

    It’s no one’s fault really, just an unfortunate biproduct of evolution.

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      Unfortunately, mtf trans women still produce steroids

      I’m not talking about trans people, I’m talking about intersex people.

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        Oh sorry. I have a really bad habit about that.

        On intersex people, imo it needs to be on a case by case basis, and I do not have the expertise to weigh in on it.

        That said, IMHO, it should fairly strict. The mens side should remain open to all. The women’s side should be for women only, since other wise they’d lose everytime.

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          …Except that they don’t. It depends on the sport. Danica Patrick out-competed men in drag racing. Shooting sports with stationary targets tend to have almost complete gender parity. On the other hand, no men at all are competing in artistic swimming, despite the fact that they are permitted to. And there’s not any kind of straight line between testosterone and performance; yeah, lots and lots of testosterone is good for bulking up, but it’s not so great for ultramarathon runners.

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              Again: it’s not that cut and dried. In the same weight classes, men and women are much more competitive. When you look at weight classes for women versus the weight classes for men, you see much broader range of weights for men, e.g., 51-57kg for men, and 50-54kg for women. My bet is that, all training being equal, you’d probably see very little variation between men and women for a 50kg boxer. (But fewer women take up boxing in the first place, and they get into boxing later in life. So it’s difficult to compare.)

              There are def. differences, but those differences get really hard to nail down and assign definitively to one gender or another when you’re looking at a micro level. Neurobiology isn’t a simple, middle-school level subject.

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    I’m a conservative so I can answer this question without speculation. I think intersex people should:

    • be burdened as little as possible by taxes
    • have a relatively free market so that if they can’t find dignity under any employer, they can go straight to the market as an entrepreneur
    • keep a gun or two at home, to keep the government from having absolute power
    • focus their efforts locally, to achieve maximum possible good from their time on earth
    • face their fears willingly in order to develop the courage and moral strength to withstand hard times and tragedy
    • be judged on their merit and the moral choices they make, not based on their biological characteristics
    • be free to innovate and form economic relationships based on their own and their collaborators’ consent (aka have access to a free market)
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      How is this off topic? I’m asking for conservatives views in the conservative community, in a thread I made.

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        He’s the mod who keeps this community content what it is. Empty and biased. He’s super pissed that he can’t keep a positive score while talking about pro-conservative topics, he’ll say he doesn’t care but it’s just another liberal vote he wishes didn’t happen. When he was first made a mod, in his declaration thread he spent HOURS arguing about Hunter Biden’s laptop. He’s an old man with an ounce of power and a red streak in his soul so of course he’s going to power trip. Just letting you know this post can stay probably gave him a semi.