Issues such as the one faced by Marinette Marine have been widespread throughout the country, with shipyards turning to creative solutions such as offering training academies or partnering with technical colleges to get more workers the skills they need to build the Navy’s high-tech vessels.
I agree with this part so much. Instead of free college, we need free trade and technical schools. Good paying jobs, typically union with pensions and we have a huge shortage.
To reach across the divide for a handshake:
This is something Biden and many progressives have been pushing for,
Free community college/trade schools: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/06/21/readout-of-white-house-meeting-on-expanding-access-to-free-community-college/
Advanced manufacturing training and jobs in the US: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/01/23/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-highlights-new-commitments-toward-equitable-workforce-development-in-advanced-manufacturing/
And even pushing paid apprenticeships: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/06/fact-sheet-president-biden-signs-executive-order-scaling-and-expanding-the-use-of-registered-apprenticeships-in-industries-and-the-federal-government-and-promoting-labor-management-forums/
And specifically in shipbuilding and getting the workforce where it needs, both in private ships and the military, the admin is moving in the right direction, opening new shipbuilding yards, getting people to train up, and putting in ship orders https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/07/29/fact-sheet-white-house-announces-new-private-sector-investments-in-american-maritime-industries-due-to-biden-harris-administration-efforts/
Getting more manufacturing back in the US, becoming more self sufficient, and having dignified employment are all my goals as a progressive too, and I’m really happy there’s movement from the current administration in their areas (despite complaints in other areas)
(I used all Whitehouse links as a from-the-horses mouth source, but there are plenty of articles about each)
In the old days, companies used to provide all of these as benefits.
IBM used to take high school graduates, let them work for a few years, and then pay them to go to college and pay for their tuition.
IBM was not unique, my friend did something similar for Honeywell. They paid him to get his master’s degree and paid for the degree.
Companies wonder why employees don’t have loyalty and the answer is simple, they are not the same companies they used to be.
JD Vance has said we need to focus more on fighting companies. I wish they would focus more on his views and the voting base would agree with them.
https://time.com/6999104/jd-vance-trump-business-community-separation/
I fully agree, companies whine and complain that they can’t find any skilled labor without ever acknowledging that it’s their job to train and take risks on the newbies. Instead they just want the perfect candidate for their specialized position to be gift wrapped and at “market rate” and desperate enough to go through multiple interview stages.
Even in my job, I’ve asked over and over for them to hire a junior/apprentice that I can train up from the beginning on our complex system and work, but they just want to hire short term contractors instead. We end spending the same amount of time training them as a junior, but then 6-12 months later when their contract is up, they go off somewhere else and we have to do it all over again and never build on our foundations.
I was hired as a contractor, and stuck through until I was an employee, and I’m now 5 years in, but it was not easy. It was essentially a two year paid interview.
And most don’t make it that way. If I was hired as a real employee as a junior, and able to train my way up with the masters of my company, who knows where I’d be and how not-delayed and not-over-budget our project would be.
When I talk to business about it, they moan how employees and contractors come from different budgets and the stock market favors contractors so their hands are tied, and I call bullshit on that. It’s bad business and the solution is obvious - train up the workforce you want to have.
It’s like buying a good pair of boots once, or buying cheap boots every year.
When I talk to business about it, they moan how employees and contractors come from different budgets and the stock market favors contractors so their hands are tied, and I call bullshit on that. It’s bad business and the solution is obvious - train up the workforce you want to have.
Agreed. Very few companies invest in their employees now day and that is the problem.
I can’t think of the company right now, but it was in the early 2000s. They needed more programmers, so anyone interested could take the aptitude test. If they passed, they were sent to a boot camp; if they passed that, they got to take college courses while working as entry-level programmers.
I have not seen any programs like that in a very long time.
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An educated population is the only way we can compete on the world stage.
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Do you think high skill trades aren’t an education? I don’t think they are saying anything against a traditional university education, but more supporting skilled trades as well.
My mistake, they did say “instead of free college”. I think we could probably support both if we raised the standards a bit.
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Why shouldn’t we have both?
If we made college free, we would restrict college to only the best and brightest. That is how the rest of the world does it.
I prefer our current system where it is available to anyone.
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There are student loans available to fund college or scholarships. The military also had the GI Bill. The National guard has the GI bill and variable program based on the state.
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Hi Boba
Yes that is how a loan works. You have interesting attached to loans.
Everyone qualifies unless you fit certain disqualifying statuses such as drug dealing, didn’t register for the draft, etc.
Taking the improper people and trying to educate them wastes time and money. That is how we ended up in this situation.
Even in countries that offer “free” education, students earn just as much as Americans.
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Personally I’d prefer if we didn’t have to hyperfocus on one specific skill, where demand could suddenly dry up at any moment for any number of reasons, to have to support ourselves.
A huge factor in our stagnation is that we promise people stability if they do this one thing… then we have to cater to that one thing for the next fifty years because they now have no other way to support themselves. So we keep pandering to coal miners and corn growers and whatever else.
Education should not be tied this closely with economy. It should be about growing and expanding our horizons, our ability to better understand the world around us and the people around us. Not about how best to be stuck in the same career for the next 50+ years.
Most agree. Corn is a little different as are most food crops. They’re fairly versatile in what they can be used for but otherwise I agree
I’ve done many things in my life by my core education for the most part was the binding factor.
My core education allowed me to explore many things while still being tied. Now liberals mock me because I’ve explored many things but doesn’t that make life fun?
