Organisers urged protesters not to bring farm machinery into central London, though some tractors drove past Downing Street covered with signs saying “the final straw” and “no farmers, no food.”
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Oh look more entitled rich farmers who think they’re special
I would be entirely unsurprised if the ones protesting are not rich, and they don’t realize that they won’t be affected.
Also a possibility yeah, probably a mix of both
Why should farmers be exempt from inheritance tax? Inheritance tax is a move towards equality, to give that money to the government to equitably distribute rather than some lucky children being rich just because they had rich parents.
I was born and brought up in an extremely rural area of the westcountry, and I’m well aware of the “farmer hard times” saying as farmers drive past in e.g. brand new landrovers, but this inheritance tax change has not been thought through. Assuming a farm is liable to inheritance tax, where does the money come from without liquidating assets? Sell part of the farm? So then you have a small piece of land with agricultural use restrictions, no infrastructure, probably too small to form a separate farm. Repeat for a few generations and all the farms are then the same size, with efficiency of scale problems - not to mention where do the new farmers come from? Sell farm machinery - great, you’ve no business. Sell your stock - you’ve no business.
Much better to tax people when they are alive, on their earnings, and expand it to all earnings from any source, lumped together and charged at the relevant rate of income tax.
They get ten years to pay it, its not subject to payment in one lump sum. Its also half the usual rate of tax, and only on anything over £3m if married and using all the allowances. On a £5m farm its about £40k a year for 10 years, not insignificant but inflation over 10 years will reduce the sting of it and you can even end load it by only paying back 1% initially and more at the end to further let inflation do its thing.
Thank you for the detail - I understand it’s not necessarily due in one go, but “even” 40k per year is still not loose change that the vast majority of farmers will have lying around, and my point about having to liquidate assets still stands, whether a smaller amount of assets per year or deferred. The wealth of most farms is tied up in the land and property, and the items required to run the farm in the first place. A further point would be that if it is to be considered a small, easily repayable sum, then given the small number of farmers likely to be affected each year in the first place, why bother? It’s not a significant source of government revenue and risks driving some farms out of business, for what?
Assuming you aren’t living in the Cotswolds or other areas dominated by hobby farmers who over pay and under produce while have significant competition for the price of large houses that pushes up the cost per acre. £5m out side of these areas purchases a good few acres. At £10k an acre (roughly in the upper third for cost) that’s about 500 acres with farm buildings.
Even in a shit year with the wrong sort of production you should be clearing £250 per acre per year, or about £125k for 500 acres. Well run farms who pick the right crops for that year clear double that. £40k is significant but its not going to leave them in the poor house, particularly when you can stagger the payments to allow for inflation and also for poor yielding years.
That doesn’t include the various subsidies, which while even shitter than ever, they are hardly zero if you pick the right crop. Nor does it include any diversification, which any sensible farmer would already be doing. I don’t doubt this is going to result in a number of farms being forced to sell, but then were they ever actually viable in todays market?
The zero inheritance tax rule has to change because of people like Clarkson who have freely admitted to only buying their farm to avoid inheritance tax. Its pushed up the cost of farms as now you are competing against hobby farmers like Clarkson, or those who use a tenant farmer who is now priced out of the market to buy their own farm, or even worse, the farm just notionally farms with tiny herds.
I particularly dislike Clarkson and others pretending that its going to hit 96% of farmers, when the majority are well within the £3m, and with careful planning using the revised gifting rules you can extend it much higher than that. Most of those that are worried have their kids living and working on the farm, by carefully arranging how you hand over their property and some of the land, if done early enough, you can extend that.
Sadly I’m running out of time, and thank you again for your detailed reply, but a couple of points: the Clarkson example could be better handled through taxation on his earnings during his lifetime, your prices are primarily relevant to land rather than complete farms - typically in Devon/Cornwall you’d be looking at 15-30k per acre when farmhouse etc. is included, and finally the money made running a farm often ends up reinvested or used in the subsequent running of the farm, so stripping £40k out of it in your example would significantly affect the running of the farm the next year and so on. Ok, got to rush…
I already covered over priced areas in my previous post, and the south west squarely falls into that category.
Frankly if you have 500 or more acres in that area and you aren’t already making bank from farming then you would be an utter, complete moron not to sell for the £10m+ that you would net from the sale. Any of these premium areas have a far higher return on diversification due to increases in tourism and rich fuckers prepared to pay for farm shops, glamping, etc.
You could even buy a similar sized farm in a cheaper area and bank half of it. Plenty of farmers selling up as they have no family who wants to take it on.
Taxation on the rich should be both on salary and on assets, especially assets that appreciate like land, otherwise we end up with the rich owning everything. The rich have massively larger purchase power than everybody else even if they were taxed fairly. We have to start somewhere with reversing that.
There’s really no need to liquidate anyway. If the farm is even remotely profitable, the revenue will be much more than the tax payments. And even if the owner does need the liquidity for some reason, it’s perfectly normal to borrow against assets. That’s just cost of capital.
If a farm is worth too much for an individual to pay inheritance taxes on, let it pass on to a collective or company of individuals with enough pooled money to run it. No need to have a single person own such a massive piece of industry.
Inheritance tax is entirly escapable by doing dodgy shell company trust arrangements across different countries. It is a tax only paid by the lower and low middle class that prevents people to build intergenerational wealths and keeps the lower classes down. The farmers shouldnt be exempt but that doesnt mean they dont have a damn fine point.
Tax only applies to farms worth more than £1 million, so “lower and low middle class” are exempt.
It’s 3m of you are married and use all the allowances. Even then it’s only on the amount over that and at half the usual rate, then you get ten years to pay it back.
Inheritance tax should be amended to be also paid on trusts (and stocks and shares) then. Just because it’s currently implemented badly doesn’t mean it’s a flawed concept.
It can’t be done without the entire world banking system being complicit. Plus why should my wealth be taken away just cos i died.
Because that leads to a snowballing effect. Money begets money. Over generations, it gets sucked into an ever smaller pool of people. This (among other things) led to serfdom etc in the Middle Ages. We only broke out of that due to the Black Death.
We need a way to allow money to spread back to the general populous. An inheritance tax is a crude, but effective, way to do that.
How would you go about achieving this?
Most intergenerational wealth is lost within a few generations actually.
There would be 2 things id do to fix tax
- Resource tax for every kg of material dug/pumped out of the ground.
- Land value tax based on the developed value of the land
- If i had global control then id do a 75% capital gains tax on all gains over 5million
… cause you died and thus aren’t using it anymore.
Thats a very selfish view to take not the sort of opinion id like my parents to have.
