• melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
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    7 months ago

    Llm’s are not a step to agi. Full stop. Lovelace called this like 200 years ago. Turing and minsky called it in the 40s.

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      7 months ago

      Pray tell, when did we achieve AGI so that you can say this with such conviction? Oh, wait, we didn’t - therefore the path there is still unknown.

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        7 months ago

        Okay, this is no more a step to AGI than the publication of ‘blindsight’ or me adding tamarind paste to sweeten my tea.

        The project isn’t finished, but we know basic stuff. And yeah, sometimes history is weird, sometimes the enlightenment happens because of oblivious assholes having bad opinions about butter and some dude named ‘le rat’ humiliating some assholes in debates.

        But llm’s are not a step to AGI. They’re just not. They do nothing intelligence does that we couldn’t already do. Youre doing pareidola. Projecting shit.

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      7 months ago

      To create general AI, we first need a way for computers to communicate proficiently with humans.

      LLMs are just that.

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          7 months ago

          That is not an argument. Let me demonstrate:

          Humans can’t communicate. They are meat. They are not communicating. It’s literally meat.

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            7 months ago

            Spanish is not English. Its spanish.

            A lot of people are really emotionally invested in this tool being a lot of things it’s not. I think because its kind of the last gasp of pretending capitalism can give us something that isnt shit, the last thing that came out before the end enshitification spiral tightened, nevermind the fact that its largely a cause of that, and I don’t think any of you can be critical or clear headed here.

            I’m afraid we’re too obsessed with it being the bullshit SciFi toy it isnt that we’ll ignore its real use cases, or worse; apply it to its real use cases, completely misunderstand what its doing, and adeptus mechanics our way into getting so fucking many people killed/maimed-those uses are mostly medicine adjacent.

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              7 months ago

              I was just pointing out that your emotional plea, that this technology is just autocorrect is not an argument in any way.

              For it to be one you need to explicitly state the implication of that fact. Yes architecturaly it is autocomplete but that does not obviously imply anything. What is it about autocomplete that barrs a system of the ability to understand?

              Humans are made of meat but that does not imply they can’t speak or think.

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                7 months ago

                If I said ‘this is just a spoon’ you’d know what I meant. This is not an emotional appeal.

                I’m not saying computers can’t ever think. I’m saying this is just autocorrect, fancy version of the shit I’m using to type this.

                Autocorrect is not understanding, and if you don’t understand that, you have zero understanding of either tech or philosophy. This topic is about both, so you really shouldn’t be making assertions. Stick to genuine questions.