All I’ve been able to find are cherry picked words and sentences the police tell the press in both’s attempts to spin it for their narratives.
Is it foolish to hope the public will get to read it in its relative entirety (a word or a name redacted is understandable, not entire paragraphs) in less than years or decades?
Legal process is a blindspot for me, I don’t know what they’re able to have as evidence that they can also keep from the public eye if they wish.
It’s not like the guys dead, or old.
He’s 26, and they’ll almost definitely say it’s terrorism linked, so 20 to life in NY.
He could be out before he’s 50 even if he loses.
Guy is from a very wealthy family and has access to the best lawyers. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s bailed out even. It’s a thing in NY for murder charges, and sometimes there’s not even bail, you get out but up $0, even for murder.
This guy wasn’t a mass shooter, he walked right past witnesses, but most importantly rich as fuck.
We’ll know what’s in it, because he can just tell us even if the cops keep it.
People keep saying the family is so wealthy, but if that’s true; even they couldn’t keep up with the medical bills.
This is America…
Yeah that is strange, the affluent usually have gold plated plans that aren’t subject to the same murderous tyranny most’s base level and/or employer provided garbage is. I thought those are the plans they point to as the US having the “best Healthcare in the world…” for the right people, god’s chosen affluenza sociopaths.
I always saw those plans as the “In the little self-protecting country club” plans provided for the owners fellow owners in actual good faith since they’re seen as bona fide human beings and not exploitation livestock.
As with anything in the owner’s completely seperate, segregated world, from vacation spots to Healthcare, the only gate they need to keep is prohibitive expense.
if convicted he’ll be epsteined.
Can he talk to the public while in custody? Is that a right that he has or are there legal mechanisms to keep him segregated from making any public statements if they don’t like what he wants to say?
There are a number of rights which are curtailed when in custody – whether pre-trial or as part of a sentence – but even under the appalling incarceration standards in the USA, the right to free speech is not something which is substantially limited while in custody, barring some very particular circumstances.
A defendant in jail awaiting trial has not, by definition, been convicted of any wrongdoing. So for pre-trial detention – where the purpose is to assure that the defendant won’t skip court – the only cognizable reason to curtail the defendant’s speech (either by mail, phone, or in-person) would be for jailhouse security reasons, as noted by various court rulings. The ACLU has litigated cases where prisons – ie post-conviction detention – violation the prisoners’ rights, so no doubt that pre-trial defendants in a jail would preserve more rights.
An example where free speech continued even while serving a sentence is when the Menendez Brothers gave a phone interview from a California prison, as part of a new documentary on the 1989 murders they were convicted of, now under scrutiny.
On the flip side, there are times when a defendant must have some speech curtailed prior to trial, even if they’re not in jail. Sam Bankman-Fried comes to mind, who was ordered pre-trial to not communicate with employees of his exchange (unless all lawyers are present) as the judge agreed with prosecutors that he could try to manipulate them into lying to the feds. At the time, he wasn’t in jail, but rather was at home under house arrest.
What would be outrageous in that case was if the order on Bankman-Fried was more sweeping, such as being restricted from talking about his own case, for which he has a First Amendment right to do so. Only when his speech would unduly influence potential witnesses, potential jurors, or threaten the judicial process, is when the judge could impose additional controls on his speech.
Appropriately, the First Amendment rights must be jealously guarded, even for people we might not agree with, precisely because it also protects people we do agree with.
If Mangione wishes to recite the entirety of his manifesto from memory over the phone to a live TV audience, he probably can do so. The government would have a hard time claiming that the manifesto’s mere recitation is somehow an incitement to violence or threatens the judges, jurors, lawyers, or the public.
Wow, thank you for the clarity!
That it could be an incitement to violence is precisely what they will/have argue(d), I would guess.