• moonking@lemy.lol
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    I’ll never get why people have to ruin shit and constantly make up theories and interpretations that only exist inside their head.

    It reminds me of when I was in school and a teacher would make up some bullshit about symbolism in a book and later you’d see something the author said where it’s like “uh no it’s just a shoe, nothing else”.

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      “That’s why my favorite book is Moby-Dick. No fru-fru symbolism, just a good, simple tale about a man who hates an animal.”

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      okay describe from your objective standpoint why a scene where shinji beating his meat was included in the ‘wow cool robots’ anime then

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        Because he’s a fucked up kid. Don’t need to read deeper into it than that.

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          i dunno, calling a kid fucked up for beating off doesn’t sound very objective to me. Sounds like your own perspective and biases are bleeding through

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              you know, maybe a person could examine why thats fucked up and get some kind of insight into the characters, but that’d require critical engagement with the fiction which would lead to… interperetations that only exist inside their head.

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                You know, you don’t need to examine why non-consensual sexual acts against others are fucked up.

                Your head is so far up your own ass, that you’re acting like sexual assault is philosophical?

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                  actually you kind of do. Thinking about and understanding why things are bad is really important actually.

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          I mean you don’t have to.

          But it’s the show is an art form. And we are allowed to interpret art from our perspective. In fact we should interpret art ourselves. That’s what makes art do powerful.

          You can choose a superficial interpretation, but it’s much more fun and personally enlightening to actually think about what we interpret the show to be about.

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      Robert Frost comes to mind.

      Road Less Traveled has abso-FUCKING-lutely NOTHING to do with what people claim.

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        Every christmas people listen to the song Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen like it has anything to do with Christmas.

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    Unpopular opinion: I hated Evangelion, and always think that people give too much meaning behind the imaginery and symbolism.

    Sure, trauma, failure, loss are bad, but lots of stuff made no sense even with extensive explanations by fans.

    I love Madoka, and think it communicates similiar concept much better.

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      Not unpopular and not wrong. It was one of “The Firsts” that really influenced people.

      I don’t love Evangelion, but I don’t hate it. I lump it with other media of that era like Matrix, Lain, Friends & Seinfeld, etc. They walked so others can run.

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        The first Matrix stands the test of time.

        Lain… never got into it. Friends aged badly.

        I have yet to watch Seinfeld.

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      a girl, asuka, is in the hospital. shinji is visiting and shakes her while crying ‘wake up wake up’ this shaking makes her vest unzip…

      shinji, who is incredibly mentally ill, traumatised, and depressed responds to this by whipping his dick out and jerking off

      fun fact: the maker of the manga said he was uncomfortable with drawing a scene where shinji and another guy, kaworu kissed, but never said anything about this scene

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      Never seen the show, but from the post the comment is from, the contrast went from unconscious girl and blood on hands to unconscious girl and jizz on hands.

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        It’s a story about a bunch of mentally ill people abusing each other. It’s very crude and meant to show the worst parts of humanity and what trauma does to them.

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          Everyone keeps saying mentally ill.

          I didn’t get that. I saw Shinji, Asuka & Rei as all being different parts of the same psyche. Different parts of the ego, Id & superego.

          This was reinforced by the concept of syncing the pilot to the robot, or in human consciousness the psyche to the meat suit.

          When the psyche and robot are synchronised they are unstoppable, but do many doubts and imposter syndrome feelings get in the way of that control that we seldom synchronise properly

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            The first paragraph of your comment doesn’t really connect with the next two. How does the pilot/psyche having to link with the robot/body implies Shinji, Asuka and Rei are part of the same psyche?

            Anyway, you’re ignoring all of the other mentally ill characters.

            • Ryoji hates himself so much that he flirts with anything that moves just to try and prove to himself that he is worthy of love.
            • Misato is so lonely that she’s pushed into a toxic relationship with Ryoji. At her worst, she goes full pedophile just to get some affection.
            • Gendo is so jealous of his own son that he literally tries to destroy the world so that he can be alone with his wife.
            • Naoko was so obsessed with Gendo that she was not only glad when his wife died but also couldn’t say no when asked to help him bring her back to life via cloning. She then killed the clone and probably herself.
            • Ritsuko is fucking her mom’s lover. Enough said.
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    Yeah, I remember when I was younger my older brother thought that show was the shit, so like 25 years later, I decide to pick it up on a whim. Watch a couple episodes, and couldn’t get into it. The older women of the series were extremely inappropriate towards the child protagonist, and I just couldn’t get past it. I was like “Damn Japan, you just gonna go full Japan on this show, huh”