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The families - who potentially have young children born in America - will be told to decide for themselves whether to exit the country together or be broken up.
That sounds like a weird way to say that they will be deporting US citizens.
Strictly speaking, they’re giving the citizens the choice to go with their deported families, or stay here without them. That’s not deportation, deportation is forced.
Mass deportations are fascist. Like, wtf. You’re here defending the deportation of entire families with that bullshit. News flash, it’s still ETHNIC CLEANSING
How is enforcing a completely reasonable law ethnic cleansing? Do you not believe in borders?
Explain how mass deportations are reasonable
There are a huge number of illegal immigrants and people abusing the asylum system. Deporting most of them is the only solution; we’ve given enough amnesty over the years.
The only difference between legal and illegal immigrants are paperwork. There is nothing wrong with people seeking asylum. That is not ‘abusing the system’. There is nothing wrong with immigrants. They are not ‘bringing in crime’ or ‘abusing social services’. They are responsible for less crime per capita than US citizens and contribute far more to social programs than they take out. Not that either of those would justify their forced removal.
The only problem with immigration is that illegal immigrants are exploited with a two-tier immigration system. Where companies, mainly agriculture and construction, exploit them with incredibly low wages and zero worker protections because they know illegal immigrants have no recourse.
Not only would mass deportations result in concentration camps, which is overtly fascist, they would also cripple the US economy by removing that pool of over-exploited labor from US businesses.
Denying asylum and mass deportations come from a white nativist sentiment. There is plenty of evidence that disprove each of those sentiments. The insanity of mass deportations are matched only to the rampant racism used to justify them.
Economic Impact
Myth : Immigrants are a drain on the U.S. Economy and Reducing Immigration would make our economy stronger.
Fact : The United States needs immigrants to stay competitive and drive economic growth, Particularly as our economy starts to reopen, individuals who create jobs are absolutely critical to our recovery. Immigrants are innovators, job creators, and consumers with an enormous spending power that drives our economy, and creates employment opportunities for all Americans. Immigrants added $2 trillion to the U.S. GDP in 2016 and $458.7 billion to state, local, and federal taxes in 2018. In 2018, after immigrants spent billions of dollars on state and local, and federal taxes, they were left with $1.2 trillion in spending power, which they used to purchase goods and services, stimulating local business activity. Proposed cuts to our legal immigration system would have devastating effects on our economy, decreasing GDP by 2% over twenty years, shrinking growth by 12.5%, and cutting 4.6 million jobs. Rust Belt states would be hit particularly hard, as they rely on immigration to stabilize their populations and revive their economies.
Taxes and Essential Services
Myth : Immigrants are a burden to essential services like schools, hospitals, and highways.
Fact: Immigrants make significant contributions to our economy on virtually every front - including on tax revenue, where they contribute $458.7 billion to state, local, and federal taxes in 2018. This includes undocumented immigrants, who contribute roughly $11.74 billion a year in state and local taxes, including more than $7 billion in sales and excise taxes, $3.6 billion in property taxes, and $1.1 billion in personal income taxes. These billions of tax dollars fund our schools, hospitals, emergency response services, highways, and other essential services. These revenues would increase by $2.18 billion annually if undocumented immigrants were given legal status as part of an immigration reform package. Additionally, immigrants make enormous contributions to Social Security. If current legal immigration levels were cut by 50%, the Social Security fund would lose $1.5 trillion in revenue over the next 75 years.
IRI
There are 45 million immigrants living in the United States. Making up 14 percent of the national population, immigrants are a vital part of the social, economic, and cultural life of all American communities.
The economic role of immigrants has frequently been misunderstood. On the one hand, immigrants are a big and important part of the economy. And, on the other hand, immigrants are disproportionately concentrated in low-wage jobs. Both things are true at the same time.
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Nor are mass deportations due to public opinion, legalizing illegal immigrants is far more popular than deportation.
Here’s a huge problem with the immigration debate in the US: illegal immigrants are being conflated with legal immigrants in almost every argument in favor of enabling illegal immigrants.
The only difference between legal and illegal immigrants are paperwork.
Would you say the same thing about people who drive with or without driver’s licenses? Or practice medicine with or without board certification?
There is nothing wrong with people seeking asylum. That is not ‘abusing the system’.
The Biden Administration invited people to flood to the country under a revised asylum system that’s created a six year long backlog of asylum cases. There is no reason that refugees from every other nation on earth should go to the US specifically or during this time period other than the President throwing open the doors to them.
They are not ‘bringing in crime’ or ‘abusing social services’. They are responsible for less crime per capita than US citizens and contribute far more to social programs than they take out.
Are legal immigrants making these contributions, or are illegal immigrants doing so? And if asylum seekers are contributing so much to local economies, then why is NYC sounding the alarm on how costly the current system is to the city? They’re slated to spend $12 billion on the problem over the next three years. Furthermore, Congress has found the current policies have cost over $150 billion, with some estimates going as high as $400 billion. We can’t sustain that kind of spending. Also, illegal immigrants categorically do bring in crime, by immigrating illegally.
The only problem with immigration is that illegal immigrants are exploited with a two-tier immigration system.
I agree that we should stop using illegal immigrants as a slave caste. That starts by enforcing the law and treating people who employ illegal immigrants as criminals themselves. But giving amnesty to everyone who breaks the law only incentivizes people to continue breaking the law. Thus, their illicit employees need to be removed, at least for the time being.
Not only would mass deportations result in concentration camps, which is overtly fascist,
Define “concentration camp.” They aren’t being rounded up to do forced labor and be executed like in Nazi Germany. Also, is Obama a fascist?
they would also cripple the US economy by removing that pool of over-exploited labor from US businesses.
An economy that would be crippled if slavery was abolished deserves to be crippled. These jobs should go to legal immigrants and citizens.
Denying asylum and mass deportations come from a white nativist sentiment.
I don’t care about “white nativism.” I care about the law, our ability to sustain ourselves as a nation, and with limiting security concerns related to bringing in millions of people whose identities can barely be verified at all. None of this has to do with the color of anyone’s skin.
Nor are mass deportations due to public opinion, legalizing illegal immigrants is far more popular than deportation.
The issue isn’t completely cut and dry. Even among people do support legalizing illegal immigrants, almost everyone insists on a background check and over half would require them to have a job.
There is nothing wrong with immigrants. They are not ‘bringing in crime’ or ‘abusing social services’. They are responsible for less crime per capita than US citizens and contribute far more to social programs than they take out. Not that either of those would justify their forced removal.
There is nothing wrong with legal immigrants, definitely.
However, illegal immigrants are all 100% guilty of a crime when they enter the country. Of course, it would be rather remarkable if we completely ignored that one crime and it turned out that, on average, they committed less crimes per capita than white Americans, which area good baseline since they are the majority and historic population of the country…
It would be absolutely brilliant if, excluding their illegal status, they committed less crimes than Asian Americans…
But as the legal hispanic popualtion is usually several times more likely than non-Hispanic white Americans to commit crime, it seems doubtful that their illegal counterparts are somehow outperforming them. I am also sure there are statistics which give us some idea of illegal immigrant crime rates, and there’s a reason you are not posting any of those.
That’s not how any of that works. https://giphy.com/gifs/latenightseth-seth-meyers-lnsm-3o6fJfvpyLGGe3lNcc
Yes, it is.
Donald Trump campaigned on the promise of mass deportations, and on Monday, he said that his administration would use the U.S. military to carry out this expulsion of millions of people, many of whom have lived in America for years or even decades.
https://theintercept.com/2024/11/19/trump-deportation-plan-military/
The Republican National Convention hit rock bottom on its third day in Milwaukee, Wis., on July 17, with a sea of signs calling for “Mass Deportation Now.” If former president Donald Trump is elected for a second term, he and his advisers promise to remove from the U.S., via forced expulsions and deportation camps, as many as 20 million people—a number larger than the country’s current estimated population of undocumented residents. Put into effect, this scheme would devolve quickly into a vast 21st-century version of concentration camps, with predictably brutal results.
Deportations are not ethnic cleansing. Fuck off with that nonsense
We’re talking about mass deportations, genius
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous.
But it’s not actually ethnic cleansing since they are arriving in a place that they have no actual claim on…?
We are not taking a part of their rightfully held land and removing them from it so Anglos can go settle there.
Regardless of how long they’ve been there, it’s still uprooting millions of people. It’s by definition ethnic cleansing. Uprooting the hundreds of thousands of Israeli settlers in the West Bank would also be ethnic cleansing and unacceptable. That’s not a good solution in any respect other than cruelty
This kind of reminds me of when anti-deportation activists took (staged?) pictures of wives/children greeting their fathers across the border fence, and someone had pointed out that the policy never actually broke up families…
What broke up families is people deciding for themselves that living in the USA was worth more than living with their father.
I would also point out: they have every right to return when they are 18, which is a hell of a massive right that is completely unearned - most nations do not have any form of birth right citizenship, and I think they are all generally ones in which nobody is particularly eager to obtain their rights of citizenship.
Having a restricted form of birthright citizenship is not the same as having no form of it. However there are more countries then I thought that do not have it at all.
At present, 33 countries in the world (and two territories) have unrestricted birthright citizenship, also known as jus soli, and another 32 nations have some form of restricted birthright citizenship
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-birthright-citizenship
Right, it would make sense to have a restricted form, if by that it was meant that the non-citizens giving birth have to have a proper, legal status like permanent residency or some other form of long-term residency.