I’m hostile about your repeated and fallacious claim that healthcare isn’t free, when the truth is that the healthcare is free, but earning a salary isn’t. You’re charged for the earnings about certain thresholds, and you’re not charged for the healthcare. I contradicted you in only two of the many places you posted the same nonsense right wing talking points, and then you start complaining about my two versus your many.
At point of service, yes. But not entirely. It’s still paid for lol. Which is the entire point that the person you’ve been replying to was trying to make.
This is a silly distinction. Do you insist that the supermarket relabels its “buy one get one free” offer as “buy one get one free at the point of purchase”? Do you call free refills “free at the point of dispensing”? When the theme park says that after you’ve paid admission, the rides are “free at the point of embarkation”?
They’re making a right wing talking point to try and make free healthcare sound expensive, when in fact free healthcare is free for the patient and less expensive for everybody than private healthcare, because the profit motive doesn’t drive efficiency, it drives profiteering.
Healthcare is free for everyone in the UK. Taxpayer or not, rich or poor, you can have a much healthcare as you need at zero cost to you. Free. That’s what free means. It doesn’t mean no one is paying. It means the patient isn’t paying. Did you think I thought that hospitals grow on trees? Of course I know that the government is paying for it, that’s WHY the healthcare is free. No charge. Unlimited. Free.
Taxation isn’t a change on healthcare AT ALL. It’s a charge on earnings, and claiming that free healthcare isn’t free is entitled nonsense from higher rate taxpayers. They pay tax. They don’t pay healthcare. No one does, unless they go private, because the healthcare is what’s free.
And nonsense. Healthcare is free in the UK. Roads are free in the UK, apart from a handful of toll roads and bridges.
Electricity is not free. I pay for that. Earning a salary is not free. I pay for that. Internet access is not free, I pay for that. But the healthcare is free. I can visit the doctor as many times as I like, I can have the most insanely expensive operation and I won’t get charged a penny.
At the theme park, the rides are free after you’ve paid admission. You can go on as many as you like until you decide to go home or the park closes. The food isn’t free, you have to pay for that. At the hospital, you don’t have to even pay admission, and you absolutely don’t have to be a taxpayer, all the healthcare is free. But the car parking and the food aren’t free (unless you’re an inpatient), you have to pay for those.
Please see the sources I dropped in the other comment. The primary source of funding is general taxation. Which again I am in favor of.
The theme park is not free. You would say “we paid to go there.” You paid to go to the hospital Even if you aren’t charged for every individual thing you did while you were there. Your healthcare is not free.
You are doing a lot of maneuvering to bend the meaning of these words. But when you went to the hospital, you paid for it already.
No I didn’t pay already - I’ve paid far less in tax than I’ve had spent on me in hospitals. I didn’t pay. Children don’t pay. Pensioners don’t pay. People on universal don’t pay. Not even billionaires pay for healthcare unless they go private. No one pays for healthcare in the UK apart from the government. It’s free.
Yes, absolutely the government is funded by taxation. But taxation is paid according to income, it has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not you use healthcare. The healthcare is free. Earned income is not.
It looks to me like you are, because you said the same nonsense lots of places, but that’s up to you, I guess.
Because I didn’t realize it was the same person in both. What a weird thing to get hostile about.
I’m hostile about your repeated and fallacious claim that healthcare isn’t free, when the truth is that the healthcare is free, but earning a salary isn’t. You’re charged for the earnings about certain thresholds, and you’re not charged for the healthcare. I contradicted you in only two of the many places you posted the same nonsense right wing talking points, and then you start complaining about my two versus your many.
Username checks out.
You have a lot of misguided anger.
You have a lot of entitlement and nonsense. Healthcare is free on the UK.
Your country has publicly funded healthcare that is free at point of service.
Yes. It’s free.
At point of service, yes. But not entirely. It’s still paid for lol. Which is the entire point that the person you’ve been replying to was trying to make.
This is a silly distinction. Do you insist that the supermarket relabels its “buy one get one free” offer as “buy one get one free at the point of purchase”? Do you call free refills “free at the point of dispensing”? When the theme park says that after you’ve paid admission, the rides are “free at the point of embarkation”?
They’re making a right wing talking point to try and make free healthcare sound expensive, when in fact free healthcare is free for the patient and less expensive for everybody than private healthcare, because the profit motive doesn’t drive efficiency, it drives profiteering.
Healthcare is free for everyone in the UK. Taxpayer or not, rich or poor, you can have a much healthcare as you need at zero cost to you. Free. That’s what free means. It doesn’t mean no one is paying. It means the patient isn’t paying. Did you think I thought that hospitals grow on trees? Of course I know that the government is paying for it, that’s WHY the healthcare is free. No charge. Unlimited. Free.
Taxation isn’t a change on healthcare AT ALL. It’s a charge on earnings, and claiming that free healthcare isn’t free is entitled nonsense from higher rate taxpayers. They pay tax. They don’t pay healthcare. No one does, unless they go private, because the healthcare is what’s free.
Entitlement…?
And nonsense. Healthcare is free in the UK. Roads are free in the UK, apart from a handful of toll roads and bridges.
Electricity is not free. I pay for that. Earning a salary is not free. I pay for that. Internet access is not free, I pay for that. But the healthcare is free. I can visit the doctor as many times as I like, I can have the most insanely expensive operation and I won’t get charged a penny.
At the theme park, the rides are free after you’ve paid admission. You can go on as many as you like until you decide to go home or the park closes. The food isn’t free, you have to pay for that. At the hospital, you don’t have to even pay admission, and you absolutely don’t have to be a taxpayer, all the healthcare is free. But the car parking and the food aren’t free (unless you’re an inpatient), you have to pay for those.
Please see the sources I dropped in the other comment. The primary source of funding is general taxation. Which again I am in favor of.
The theme park is not free. You would say “we paid to go there.” You paid to go to the hospital Even if you aren’t charged for every individual thing you did while you were there. Your healthcare is not free.
You are doing a lot of maneuvering to bend the meaning of these words. But when you went to the hospital, you paid for it already.
No I didn’t pay already - I’ve paid far less in tax than I’ve had spent on me in hospitals. I didn’t pay. Children don’t pay. Pensioners don’t pay. People on universal don’t pay. Not even billionaires pay for healthcare unless they go private. No one pays for healthcare in the UK apart from the government. It’s free.
Yes, absolutely the government is funded by taxation. But taxation is paid according to income, it has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not you use healthcare. The healthcare is free. Earned income is not.