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  • why and how would smokers contribute more?
    As I said, taxes are extremely high on tobacco. 85%
    Even disregarding the amount in general taxes smokers also pay for healthcare that alone is more than the cost of smoking to healthcare.
    Unfortunately couldn’t find the study I read but it came down to a few 100 million surplus (in NL).

    And yes not needing to pay pensions is a big part of the gains to to the state but also not having to pay for the plethora of other diseases the elderly invariably get.
    And while obese people indeed have premature mortality that is often preceded by decades of chronic illnesses and care.
    And same as smokers that includes increased risk of cancers.
    Unlike most smokers very obese people often can’t perform physical labor the average human can.
    There’s more, like logistics and how many hospital workers and specialized ambulances or equipment it takes to simply move the more extreme cases but I think this will do.
    To be clear, I’m not defending smoking but the argument of how they don’t want to help smokers (basically addicts and victims) because it costs their health system is wrong.
    Not to mention anti-social and selfish.
    As I mentioned in the other comment, that’s a slippery slope.


  • Dead wrong.
    The whole population benefits from what smokers pay.
    From a study in NL it shows that they generate far more than what it costs in healthcare.
    And it also said should the small percentage of smokers suddenly quit and live longer, the loss of income for the state and the extra cost of them living longer and needing more care would be unsustainable.

    And if you want to be selfish and not have solidarity then let’s start about the much bigger cost of the SELF-INFLICTED diabetic epidemic.
    They require an avg of 28 years of aid.
    And almost no country wants to tackle that because of their opportunistic politicians.
    Who cares about antagonizing a small percentage that smokes.
    But the many sugar addicts poisoning themselves are too important for their precious votes to touch.
    And those same hypocrite politicians can be seen regularly with a glass of alcohol (hard drugs) in their hand.
    And as an edit, I don’t want to pay for your skin cancer treatment also, should’ve stayed out of the sun.











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    Some doctors (mine also) started charging 10 euro extra if you don’t show up.
    I think that’s fair since there is a shortage of doctors and it happens a lot causing long waiting times for others to get an appointment.
    Had it recently when I got confused on the date.
    Offered to pay the next time but he said I normally always show up so he let it be and asked the normal ridiculous 1 euro charge.
    I like my doctor.