Which ones? Searched and couldn’t find anything.

Urban dictionary says it’s a term that refers to when an undercover government agent fails to blend in with whoever they’re trying to blend in with.

Absolutely, if you’re seeing propaganda, it’s because it’s allowed on that instance. But the presence of propaganda has nothing to do if an account is an LLM or not.

Moderation on the Feviderse is different than on commercial platforms because it’s context-dependent instead of rules-dependent. That means that a user accout (bot or otherwise) that does not contribute to the spirit of a community will not be welcomed.

There is largely no incentive to run an LLM that is a constructive member of a community, bots are built to push an agenda, product, or exhibit generally disruptive behavior. Those things are unwelcome in spaces built for discussion. So mods/admins don’t need to know “how to identify a bot”, they need to know "how to identify unwanted behavior".

The purpose and shape of a community should be up to the moderator. If someone wants to grow a “community” full of complaining and whining (and there are absolutely people who do) that should be up to the mods.

That said, I think downvote abuse is super annoying, not healthy for “Lemmy in general” and would personally prefer it banned in communities I participate in.

The only thing I’m aware of that they do even remotely better than anyone else is privacy.

Where did you hear this? Its my understanding that they are one of the worst when it comes to privacy.

“Many small instances that can survive with a couple of donations” seems much more sustainable than a handful of large ad-selling business “powered by Mastodon”.

I’ve never seen an ad-based tier on a Mastodon instance and the network does just fine 🤷‍♂️

Without executives leeching money from going to the actual cost of servers things seem to work better! Go figure!

only be indexed if you are using the google

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Yes absolutely, it depends on the context. The overall goal of such a community I think should just be to “put it out there”, and have people on reddit at least casually aware that Lemmy exists the same way people on Twitter are (now) aware of BlueSky and Mastodon.

Certainly would fit here but a dedicated space I think would function better for coordinating a specific task.

I was a mod for over a decade, believe me even if it gets removed, a quickly-upvoted comment will still get tons of attention 😈

I made a comment elsewhere in this thread, but I would be interested in helping out with a recruitment effort! Maybe it’s time to set up a Lemmy “get the word out” community?

I would be interested in helping with a coordinated effort to promote Lemmy instances on Reddit. Sometimes I check in on /r/RedditAlternatives and it’s clear 90% of the people who would be happy with Lemmy have already left for Lemmy. But there are many threads where a simple “maybe check out Lemmy I like it a lot” could do a lot of help. It’s not like users need to quit Reddit but every post on a Lemmy instance (even if it’s also on Reddit) helps make our instances more appealing.

Perhaps setting up a community here to link to such threads could be a useful idea? And we could get talking points aligned as well.

That user was literally banned from StarTrek.website instance for harassment of it’s users, this is a textbook example of the problem with “call out” communities you are advocating for. They are more about creating drama than any kind of fact finding, let alone justice.

Calling out mods for what? Not allowing your brand of freeze peach? Personally I think Lemmy needs more strong moderators because right now most instance’s “all” feeds are just another stale parade of “memes”. There is a lot of junk filler, and very few unique communities that make the Lemmyverse something that stands apart from Reddit.

I would also encourage instance admins to de-federate instances that host your idea of a “community” purpose built to publicly “call out” users. It’s toxic.

Ah I got you, yes I totally agree. And I also do think gifs and shitposts etc can be shared and engaged with in an organic way that doesn’t force out slower content, which is also partly why active moderation is so important.

This is a good thought provoking post, but I think most of the methods you describe here actually work against the Fediverse, both in terms of desired outcomes and actual growth.

• If a user comes to Lemmy (for example) and sees the same stale meme feed and engagement bait they see on Reddit, what’s the incentive to switch? What makes Lemmy unique?

• Of the users who are here and understand the reasons for not using commercial social media, most are probably trying to avoid the bulk of the sort of content made by the suggestions you give.

• Growth-for-growth’s-sake puts more burden on instance admins for reasons that don’t involve growing a sense of community (presumably the reason they are investing time in the first place).

My point is that Lemmy can never compete with Reddit in terms of attention and distractability and trying to build “community” around that here will always fail. We should lean into Lemmy’s strengths, focus on growing communities and discussions and the kind of thing the Reddit algorithm suppresses.

I think it has potential to be better in a way Reddit can never be, but the two biggest instances do so little moderation their userbase might as well be “people banned from too many subredits”.

I assumed the killer feature of Lemmy would be “zero reply guys” but instance owners seem willing to tolerate them in the interests of faux-engagement. But the irony is this sort of “engagement” actually scares new users away.

If they choose to migrate to another instance, it will likely be a more extremist instance with poor moderation that has been significantly defederated.

In theory this is how it should work, but in practice the toxic people tend to move to general purpose more laissez-faire places like .world or .ml, which makes de-federating and cutting off 30% of all users a difficult decision for anyone trying to have a community.

The answer is less centralization, but that can’t be forced. beehaw.org (for example) made the decision to cut off .world and they are better for it. But they are a large-ish instance in their own right.