“Slaves were fine with being slaves, otherwise they’d do something about it” ass take

Literal study: “most of rhe propaganda on social media comes from private companies”

Lemmitors “ThE pRoBlEm Is RuZzIa”

Keep blaming a third country for all your endogenous problems.

According to our dataset at the Oxus Society for Central Asian Affairs, around 292 Uighurs have been detained or deported from Arab states at China’s behest since 2002

So? There was a literal terrorist group in China doing terror attacks. Spain alone arrested more than 400 Arabs with connections to ISIS in antiterrorism campaign between 2013 and 2022.

Is it a conspiracy involving all Arab states to repress Uyghur for no reason? Or maybe the west, which chooses to align itself geopolitically against China, is doing a campaign to destroy the reputation of China in the eyes of westerners to justify hostilities as we see with sanctions?

I mean putting Nazis in reeducation camps compulsorily. The problem is that normally, Nazis tend to get propped into power by capitalists, and the historical way to remove them from power is through socialist revolution.

Not trolling at all. The USSR saved TENS OF MILLIONS of lives from Nazi genocide in Eastern Europe alone. Nazis wanted to carry out Generalplan Ost and eliminate or enslave all population between Germany and the Urals. The only reason why they were stopped was thanks to the massive efforts of the Soviet Industrial Revolution which was kickstarted in 1929, when the country’s economy recovered from the devastation of the Russian Civil War, in which the “allies” (UK, Canada, Australia, Japan, USA, France, Poland…) Invaded the country unprovoked and unilaterally for the sin of being communist.

Life expectancy in Soviet Russia was 27 years of age by the 1929 economic recovery. Thirty years later, life expectancy had risen to 67 years of age. For comparison, Brazil, which didn’t go through an all-destroying civil war and an even more all-destroying world war 2 (25 million Soviet deaths by Nazism), had a life expectancy of 36 in 1930, and by 1960 it was merely 53. The revolution in agriculture, industry and medicine in the USSR saved, by any reasonable metric, tens of millions lives more than any comparable capitalist country at the time, and that’s not counting that they would have become a Nazi colony and either slaves or exterminated.

Before WWII Soviet regime decided that Ukrainians don’t deserve to exist and killed millions in Holodomor

“Holodomor” is a new term, propagandized recently to create the false narrative that Ukrainians were targeted in a famine in the Soviet Union during the land collectivization. There was a big famine in the entire USSR, affecting especially hard in Ukraine, Southern Russia and Kazakhstan, I’m not denying the famine, I’m denying the idea that it was enforced in Ukrainians for some racist reasons. There is no precedent and no followup of mistreatment of Ukrainians in the USSR, there are no documents proving any intent to hurt Ukraine specifically, and there was no motive to do so, it’s used as a propaganda element to radicalize people against Communism now that sentiments towards Ukraine are reasonably high.

If you care about Ukrainian lives, which you seem to do, you’d be better off doing anti-capitalist propaganda. Capitalism brought hunger, drugs, unemployment, violence, crime, suicide and alcoholism to unprecedented levels in Ukraine. Massive emigrations, low birthrates, high mortality and finally war, have brought on Ukraine a horrifying [demographic crisis]. Between the dissolution of the USSR in 1990 and the war in Ukraine, Ukraine had already lost 7 million people to the causes cited above. As it stands now, there are an estimated 28 million citizens in Ukraine, from the peak of 52 million in 1990. I agree that Ukraine is a land that has been fucked over in the ass repeatedly in history, first during Tsarism and the Russian Empire, then during Nazi invasion, and finally during capitalist restoration. I hope we can both condemn the three processes above in their scope of murdering millions of innocent Ukrainians.

All of the achievements of the USSR, including the saving of tens of millions of people from genocide, starvation and disease, were carried out in a unique way in history: without participating in colonialism. The USSR had no colonies in Africa, in South America or in Asia, in the same way that UK, France or USA did during their industrial development. The modern western countries enjoy a high (albeit constantly worsening) standard of living because they stand on the backs of billions in the global south. For every French with free healthcare and education, there are 10 Indians, Ethiopians and Pakistanis starving. I’m glad your life is materially better in some ways now than it was 50 years ago, but this is entirely on the backs of the global south.

What exactly did you think I meant by “forcibly reeducated” if not rehabilitated in prison?

from multiple countries

From multiple western* countries. Emissaries from many Arab countries went to Xinjiang and declared that nothing wrong was happening.

I’m not aware of similar accusations regarding American prisons

https://www.aecf.org/resources/abused-by-the-state

If the US had done the same thing

The US does this today. 20% of black males go through prison throughout their lifetimes, they have the largest prison population in the world. The difference being that this isn’t a temporary measure lasting a few years, with the (achieved) goal being reeducation as a consequence of terrorist strikes in the wake of a world wave of radical Islamism. This is a systematic form of racism, a legacy of slavery (and a continuation given how slave labour is legal in US prisons) and something you probably have 0 comments talking about.

where rape allegedly happens

There isn’t material evidence of mass rape taking place. You could claim this about any institution in any patriarchal society, but we don’t append “where rape allegedly happens” to every institution.

The further irony is that by decomposing it will release the carbon back in the atmosphere, plus the carbon it took to produce it and deliver it

Buddy, who supplied the half the rifles and 90% of ammo that the ruskies used on the Eastern Front?

Why are you so obsessed with Russians and invisibilizing the heroic contribution of the rest of ethnicities? Are you an anti-Ukrainian nazi? Also, you’re literally making up the numbers, the most manufactured and used tank in WW2 was the Soviet T-34. The contributions by the USA were measurable and necessary and they deserve the appropriate praise, but you’re denying history by saying the soviets didnt win the war.

allowing USSR to actually start pushing back?

Wrong. The victory in Stalingrad and the pushing of Nazis to the west happened well before the opening of the western front by the USA. You’re literally lying here.

You mean the atrocities of political purges, the elimination of intelligentsia and military officers

Oh no, the poor military officers of (presumably Poland), they were just good guys when they happily invaded Ukraine and Belarus in 1918 and when they annexed Czechoslovakia with the Nazis.

the russification

Bullshit. Everyone in Uzbekistan speaks Uzbek, people in Mari El studied in Mari, people in Poland studied in Polish, people in Lithuania studied in Lithuanian, as proven by the fact that those are still the primary languages and cultures in their respective regions (except possibly Mari because the capitalist Russian Federation doesn’t respect multi ethnicity). Stop making up shit. If you’re so concerned with the assimilation of peoples, go open a campaign for the rights of Occitanian people, they had 1+mn speakers in 1920 and they’re barely 100k nowadays. THAT’S what cultural assimilation looks like.

the hunger and millions dead

Life expectancy skyrocketed under Soviet policy. Life expectancy was of 27 fucking years when the Soviets got into power, and by 1960, it was above 60 years old. The policy of rapid industrialization and land collectivization literally saved millions of lives. Again, if you care so much about the “millions of deaths” in Eastern Europe, why don’t you complain about the millions of deaths from capitalist restoration? Millions died in the Eastern Block when capitalism arrived: defunding of healthcare, hunger, drug abuse, unemployment, alcoholism, suicide and violent crime were the norm all over Eastern Europe since 1990. Blame fucking capitalism for what it did.

USSR == russia

You’re literally a Ukrainian-hating nationalist. Gorbachev was Ukrainian and so was Brezhnev, the presidents for the longest time in the Soviet Union were Ukrainian.

I don’t have respect to those that raped and pillaged the entire way to Berlin

Literal Nazi propaganda. Seeing how you hate Ukrainians and how you’re spewing Nazi bullshit, I have no choice but to conclude you’re a polish Nazi. I’m surprised you’re not siding with Putin, he’s killing hundreds of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians in the name of capitalism.

I’m not going to respond to you anymore because I dont debate Nazis. Have fun responding to me and malding

Saving Eastern Europe from Nazi extermination is as bad as universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, the elimination of unemployment, universal right to housing and abolition of homelessness, and the doubling of life expectancy from the Tsarist Empire to 1960.

The fact that you’re even questioning that the USSR defeated Nazism proves that you have no idea what you’re talking about. 80% of dead Nazi soldiers were thanks to the eastern front. 25 million Soviet lives were eliminated in the struggle against fascism.

I’m from one of the countries that suffered massive atrocities under the bastards

Oh no, the atrocities of universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, industrialization, guaranteed employment and the abolishment of homelessness. What a horrifying regime. Eastern Europe is so much better now that capitalism returned and you have wars again. I bet my ass your childhood was after 1990 and you’re just repeating capitalist anticommunist propaganda.

I suppose you don’t understand the difference between war and peace?

There is no peace with Nazis, they only understand genocide and invasion.

the bullshit you’re saying about russians

I didn’t say the word “Russians” in my previous comment. I mentioned the USSR being the reason why Nazis didn’t exterminate your ethnicity, but the USSR was a plurinational state composed of many ethnicities. Many Ukrainians, Belarusians, Uzbeki, Kazakh, and many of the nationalities of Russia such as Bashkir, Slavic Russians or Mari gave their lives defending your family from Nazism. Have some respect for all the brave soldiers who fought so that you can spew bullshit online today.

Good luck debating Nazis. The USSR famously defeated them, BTW, you can thank them for being alive today if you’re European.

I suppose you decry the violence that the USA exerted on Nazi Germany?

Nazis are people who need to be forcibly reeducated, and the only way to get there historically is through violence.

Europe should have then heavily invested in EVs, clean energy and forced manufacturers to switch. Now China has the technological edge and consumers are to pay the price if we stay with our shitty expensive oversized EVs. The fact that European capitals aren’t crammed full of micro-EVs like the Wuling Hongguang is actually sinful.

The US is not a democracy

The BBC article constantly references Adrian Zenz, supposed “Sinologist” who doesnt speak a word of Chinese and hasn’t set foot in the country. Oh, he’s also a cofounder of the “victims of communism memorial association” and a rabid christian fundamentalist. I wonder if any of that has anything to do with his desire to spread propaganda of “China bad”.

Go to the article: published May 2022, all the claims are of things that supposedly happened in 2017, 2018 or at most 2019. I repeat my original point: are there any ONGOING acts of mass mistreatment of Uyghur in Xinjiang? Best you can come up with is pictures from the well-known reeducation camps from 8 years ago.

What we know so far is this: there was a series of terrorist attacks in China in 2013-2014 onwards, coming from Islamist radicals linked to Al-Qaida and ISIS. The government responded later with a big reeducation program in the province of Xinjiang, which by all accounts is closed by 2021. There is anecdotal, mostly anonymous, evidence of mistreatment of particular individuals in the process, not corroborated by material evidence such as video or picture. All the news you find refer to processes that took place 5-ish years ago. I cast the same question that I asked at the beginning: IS THERE ANY ONGOING MASS-MISTREATMENTS OF UYGHURS IN XINJIANG

Thanks a lot

Claims in 2017 by a communist party member cherrypicked from 400 pages of documents in Chinese is very little incriminating in terms of what I’ve been asking from the beginning: material evidence of ongoing widespread mistreatment of Uyghur. We can move the goalposts to the claim “there are some officials in the Communist Party of China who have too hard, arguably racist and repressive stances regarding Uyghurs” if you want, but it’s not the original claim to which I’m responding.

BBC and New York Crimes both repeated Hasbara propaganda of widespread rapes during Oct 7th, which is exactly the same thing we’re arguing here. They don’t need to “make things up”, they only need to take a few instances of abuse, generalize them, and run a nonstop atrocity propaganda campaign for political purposes. Media manipulation in this regard is more refined and effective than, say, conservative propaganda like “Jan 6th was actually antifa”, which consists on simply manufacturing facts.

China isn’t a perfect state, and I don’t make such claims, but arguing about genocide or persecution of an ethnic minority is a very serious claim that, being a topic that in theory affects millions of Uyghurs, would have led to massive amounts of footage by smartphone owners as we have seen from Gaza

I accidentally deleted my comment, does it still feature in your inbox so I can copy-paste it instead of rewriting it?