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    10 days ago

    Here is my try at explaining it in layman terms, but I’m not 100% sure I got the meme completely right. I didn’t do protein crystallography, only organometallics.

    Crystallography is the dark magic art of turning nice really small crystals into pictures of molecules (or more precisely: 3D maps of electron density) The scientist in the meme wanted to measure the same protein, but under different pH conditions, so either adding some acid or some base while the crystals form. Then they hopefully get different structures at different pH values and can make a nice video animation like a flipbook to show the change in structure.

    And I think the meme makes fun of the fact that the scientist did this experiment with a certain expectation and then that expectation happens but the scientist is surprised by it happening.

    They chose a protein which is a reductase, meaning it can reduce the oxidation state of certain molecules. Such a reduction reaction is often dependant on pH value in organism (I think), therefore changing the pH value changes what the protein will do in the crystallization solution.


  • Thanks for explaining your reasoning, I see it different than you.

    Especially your comment regarding the LLM is where our beliefs differ: an LLM is the software plus the hardware, so in my opinion for sure if there ever is a “real” conscious AI, we know what it is made out of and that it’s the collection of programs that run on the hardware (we might never understand why that lead to consciousness, but it isn’t more than what was put in). So whatever that AI is, is defined by those two things. Same as we humans are defined by our nerve system and brain. Take parts of it away and it changes the whole (=brain damage, trauma, drugs, etc.).

    Especially drugs and their influence on our minds are a big reason why I’m strongly in the “it’s all physical” camp. Taking drugs changes the minds of people while those drugs are in the system. That people feel their thinking change, is proof for me, that it’s all physical, since it can be influenced by physical means, e.g. drugs.

    Now we both stated our beliefs, but I don’t think we will get a real answer in the close future and I don’t think we will convince the other person, so thanks again for explaining your reasoning.





  • Oh for sure, that might be the case. But everything already written in some holy book or told in some ritual now definitely lacked those sophisticated machines, making all their content moot and you can safely disregard them.

    So due to the lack of any information, you can’t prepare and therefore can’t expect anything. So it’s better to be good for its own sake, then trying to appease some bronze/iron age divinity.