The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what’s to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn’t have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine. I don’t want to do that. Right now, without any god, I don’t want to jump across this table and strangle you. I have no desire to strangle you. I have no desire to flip you over and rape you. –Penn Jillette
Think of the man what you will, but this has to be the best answer for that dumb question.
Well, it is important to remember that he’s a professional liar, so I don’t know how true that is for him personally.
I see your logic, atheists. Now apply that to “laws”, “money”, and “The State”.
Laws and the state exist to deal with the people that DO want to rape and murder. Money exists to provide a more convenient way to exchange goods and services.
Laws and the state exist to deal with the people that DO want to rape and murder.
And religion doesn’t? What subject are we talking about again?
Money exists to provide a more convenient way to exchange goods and services.
Is it the most convenient way? Have there been other ways? (Yes, there has, for thousands of years.)
And religion doesn’t? What subject are we talking about again?
Can’t speak for anyone else but I’ve never seen god stop a rape/murder.
Is it the most convenient way? Have there been other ways? (Yes, there has, for thousands of years.)
We could go back to bartering I suppose but I’d rather carry a credit card around than a 60lb sack of grain or whatever people are trading for.
Well, seeing the problems Catholic priests are having not touching little children, I’m going to go ahead and say no, religion is not a very good way to deal with people that do want to do such heinous acts.
Catholic priests aren’t all religions.
So you are saying that people of all religions want to molest kids, but are held back from that because their God would disapprove?
Gosh, and here I am not wanting to molest kids all on my own.
But let’s go less icky - most people don’t want to molest kids. So let’s talk about stealing. What is keeping me from stealing from a big corpo like Walmart? Security cameras and laws. What is keeping me from stealing from my neighbors, and even other people at large? I respect other humans enough to not take the things that they have paid for. No security cameras, police aren’t around - I could go take my neighbors nice lawn mower out of his shed tonight and likely never get caught, but I don’t because I don’t want to deprive another human of things they worked hard to acquire.
I guess you’re saying that some people need religion because they have less of a moral compass than I, an atheist, have?
Edit: also, it doesn’t just happen Catholicism, and if you need the proof, I think there’s a community for that.
This person allowed Elon Musk to stick his Nazi cock inside her.
She’s not a sane individual.
Why are we even entertaining the thoughts of this broken doorknob?
The same god who allows rape and murder as long as you believe in him
The entire argument is pretty stupid…
Do you believe in god? Yes
Does rape and murder happen? Yes
Can you rape and murder if you tried? Yes
So what does your god add to the situation? Is the only reason you don’t do it out of fear? Yes/No?
Also do you really obey the laws of your god? Yes
So you don’t ever wear both linnen and wool? Uh what?
And are you really sure you never sat where a menstruating women has been sitting?? Wait what?
How many different seeds are in your garden? ??
I agree in part that the death of god has been bad. But that’s only in regards to community. That is, we broadly lack communal spaces now where people that might be wildly divergent in beliefs–other than certain core religious tenets --come together. The loss of faith has meant a loss of community for many people. Attempts to build communities of non-believers have largely failed, or run afoul of the same problems that mire religion in general.
The result is that non-believers appear to be more likely to live more solitary existences, whereas people that have religious faith and go to church appear more likely to have some kind of community support group.
I can’t remember who said it but: If you being a good person depends on the fear of eternal damnation, then you are not a good person.
That’s why as an Italian I appreciate nordern countries. Luther reform fixed that and shifted the main point to the actual life.
When I moved to Sweden in a rich part of Stockholm I was not happy. Dealing with rich Italians left a disgusting feeling in me and I didn’t want to live there. Then I got to meet the neighbors and they were actually really cool. Rich swedish people (normally rich, not talling about billionaires), are absolutely down on heart.
Anyway, I’m pretty sure this people would’ve been doing great even without religion. Luther isn’t been a revolution, it’s been an excaping. Not surprisingly, their modern and open Christianism is the one who’s disappearing faster.
I now see why she was stupid enough to get with elmo.
Those two deserve each other.
Saying “Without laws I wouldn’t do right from wrong” is also just as much a sociopathic self report imo. Same with “money” and “The State”, i’m an atheist just like them except I go one or two gods further.
also, when has religion saying raping and killing children was wrong ever stopped a religious ‘person’ from raping and killing children? those are like their two favorite things to do.
Our society killed God and replaced with Reason. For all the things this improved, it created another set of problems nearly everyone in the West is unaware of. Check out Voltaire’s Bastards.
I haven’t be taught religion, but i’m lucky enoigh to have had parents…
If you need somebody watching over your shoulder + the threat of damnation to be a good person, you’re not a good person.
There are plenty examples of religious leaders raping and killing children and other offenses. But I guess they are above it all then?
“Your religion isn’t the same as morality.” - Britta Perry
Stop being pious atheists
What do you mean?
If we can kill God, then it wasn’t God that we killed…
God is the all-powerful creator of the universe, all of the black holes and quasars, all of the laws of physics, the architect of the very Beginning and End of All Things… but He is in constant danger of destruction by a bunch of hippies and nerds.
This is the fact that is so often overlooked because its too goddamn inconvenient for them to acknowledge.
