• Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world
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    20 hours ago

    But what’s the alternative?

    I’m not talking about the big national parks, which should absolutely have mass transit to shuttle people into it.

    But the smaller parks, national/state forests, and public lands? I do a lot of backpacking so I’m regularly at an unnamed trailhead in the middle of my local national forest where we’ve been on dirt roads for the last 45 minutes. There’s not really any feasible way to build public transport to service all of that, and I would very very very much not want them building actual roads for busses or rails for trains.

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      11 hours ago

      @Lv_InSaNe_vL
      People spread over the earth and into every corner of it except Antarctica, tens of thousands of years before there were cars. Did Genghis Khan have a car? Did Hannibal have a car? Every location you say you can’t get to without a car was settled by Native Americans, for thousands of years, without cars. Cable cars would probably have the lowest environmental impact to move people around a park. #MotoNormativity #CarBrain #FuckCars

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      20 hours ago

      An alternative in this case is carsharing or taxis. Car ownership is a big issue, for every carsharing car you can get rid of up to 10 vehicles.

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        Lmfao what are you talking about? There’s zero chance you’ll find a ride share or taxi willing to take you out on seasonal roads. And that’s also ignoring the fact that a lot of these are going to be ~2hrs or more away from an actual town so it’s not financially feasible either.

        I’m talking about going out into actual nature. Still very far away from civilization.

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          19 hours ago
          1. Carsharing is not the same thing as ride sharing. Carsharing (basically short term car rental paid by the hour/km) is an option anywhere. My girlfriend and I have used this widely in our nature adventures in Europe.

          2. I am talking about possibilities of how we could reform our system and thinking, not the real life situation. Nonetheless, a taxi (ride sharing) is still a viable option in large parts of the world and the US.

          3. Your attitude is unnecessarily hostile so I will shut this conversation down. Thank you for your time.