I’m ready for a $15,000 EV.
But I suppose the Ford, GM, and whatever else is left of the US auto industry will never be ready.
The problem is that Chinese models are so cheap because of government subsidies and slave labor. I still think that Western models are too expensive because of plain greed, but the Chinese models are not without problems either.
Considering the problems of non-penetrating welds, completely inactive airbags, constant fires, idk bout that chief. Like don’t get me wrong, Tesla ain’t it, but they aren’t this bad.
Just like in the 70s and 80s when the Big 3 couldn’t make a reliable small car and the Japanese drank their milkshake.
Plus ça change, n’est pas?
I mean the best we got is Tesla. You see those damned things everywhere.
Theres been a ton of startups, but none of them are keeping up, or really trying to penetrate the market. Lucid was just aiming for the high end luxury segment. Fisker was dead on arrival. The only one thats really trying is Rivian, but theyre also focused on luxury, with some less expensive options years away.
Meanwhile, the big 3 are twiddling their thumbs. GM’s got their EV platform, but the only car they got is a Cadillac. The Bolt is discontinued. Ford has the Mach E that no one wants, and I dont know what the hell Stellantis is doing.
The Japanese are behind as well, with only a couple of options from Toyota/Subaru, Nissan, and does Mazda even have anything?
Really, it seems like its the Koreans who are putting up the best fight.
As long as Chinese EVs arent sold in the US, I dont see these companies really stepping it up yet.
Rivian is not targeting luxury. All their company goals are about sport utility. They’re a little pricy though those new ones in the next few years look awesome price wise
I see tons of Mach E’s around here. Not as many as Teslas yet, but I see on average two to three a day, which tracks to Teslas about 2 yrs ago in this area. So give it a bit of time. I’d seriously consider one if I was in the market for a new car. I just wish they didn’t call a small SUV a Mustang. “Domestic” US manufacturers are catching up.
That said, I’d love a Chinese 10-15k EV as long as it passed US crash standards and had a decent warranty. Competition is a good thing.
The problem is that $10-$15k Chinese EVs aren’t competition as the Chinese government is paying the company directly for them to be that cheap. That’s in comparison to a country where the best companies get is a $7500 credit toward their purchase. I would absolutely support Chinese EVs in the US if they weren’t trying to undercut everyone with unsustainable subsidies just to put everyone else out of business.
I am pretty sure there are subsidies/grants/loans for auto companies under other governments too.
Certainly but this can also be viewed as helping ease the transition for automakers since they’ve also implemented stricter efficiency rules upon them at the same time.
If we assume China is subsidizing $15k per car to allow them to sell for $10k, that $12B in US subsidies equates to about a single quarter worth of sales for just BYD alone, or 800k cars. There is no way we can match those subsidies for the rest of the players in the American market as around 13.5 million new cars are sold in the US each year.
How about saying Chinese cars contain monosodium glutamate and it’s very bad for you.
We 100% need these cars to be sold in North America, fuck the current auto industry.
Hyundai/Kia are already doing that, that’s why their issues are plastered everywhere ( especially on reddit and youtube) while something like Toyota having a worse recall just goes under the radar.
Toyota are also foreign and the biggest auto company in terms of numbers moved.
Yes but Toyota was an established player, Hyundai Kia is now eating into the market, hard, and are now the 3rd biggest automaker
Well, I know what to expect from the US government. The Automotive Companies are lobbying the government for the ban on Chinese competition from entering their market. on grounds of National security and sovereignty. starting by fearmongering, seeding the bias, hate, and negativity. The free market as long as it benefits US government interests.
As has been the way since its inception. Fruit company coups and prohibition to support lumer industries.
But are they wrong? Has China proven that they can be trusted? Will the Chinese government stay out of the businesses and not try to access the data they collect?
The answer is a resounding “No!”
If government can ban tik tok can also ban Chinese electric vroom vroom
We should just get the top three car manufacturers to tell us how much the Chinese cars should be sold for in the states.
ah yes the free market and its visible invisible hand.
