I’ve been attending metal shows my entire life and I don’t think I’ve ever seen any transphobia. OP doesn’t know metalheads
I’ve been living in small towns most my life, we’ve met different metalheads.
Me too, maybe its cuz im in canada
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Societal alienation makes for the best art and metal is no exception. Metalheads trying to exclude someone for being different (NSBM excepted) have completely missed the point of the entire genre.
Shout out to Genital Shame and Lust Hag making excellent Transwoman Black Metal!
Based take, I’ll have to give them a listen
Thanks for the recs, I was recently looking for queer metal and found some stuff but not nearly the nearly enough…
I had never heard over NSBM (nazi black metal) before and am actually kinda shocked, this exists… Fuck them.
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A lot of first wave and early norwegian black metal bands were essentially proto-NSBM. Nazis have been a part of black metal for as long as it’s been around. For a long while black metal had a reputation for being full of fascists
It sucks because black metal has become one of my favourite subgenres in metal. I absolutely love how there is this reoccurring theme of worshipping nature in all her beauty and brutality. It is so sick.
I stayed away from black metal entirely in my teens back in the 2000s because of all the scary rumors, but began listening to some of it during the pandemic. I was in this music exploration phase and black metal totally blew my mind. It is genuinely one of the most beautiful subgenres in metal.
And yes, there are nazis and Satanists and so on in this subgenre, but black metal was also built by and for edgelords originally. The amount of snarky gatekeepers and contrarianism that went on at the birth of Norwegian black metal is so beyond cringe that when I finally sat down and read up on the history, I had several times where I felt secondhand embarrassment for everyone involved.
The types of people who are attracted to the original philosophy of black metal tend to also be very immature types who seek shocking and repulsive behaviors to have people around them react. The fact that they, among many other things, attach themselves to nazisism is just a symptom of the edgelord mindset where everything is done to one-up and shock others. It is so pathetic.
Meanwhile there are also many normal people who just want to make awesome art and black metal is a way for them to be killer fucking poets/musicians while looking and sounding like rotting corpses.
I have a few artists and bands I listen to and love for their songs about nature or mental health. Psychonaut4, Lustre, Blackbraid, Advent Sorrow, Nargaroth, Thy Light and Agalloch are some of my go-to artists when I’m in my BM corner.
I always bring this one up, because I cannot help it, but one of my favourite lyrics of all times is from Agalloch’s In the Shadow of Our Pale Companion:
Here at the edge of this world
Here I gaze at a pantheon of oak, a citadel of stone
If this grand panorama before me is what you call God
Then God is not dead
🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌
Yeah, some genres have a large segment of people who struggle to fit in with the mainstream. I’d like to think that they pick up something about social liberalism vs traditionalism from that, but there’s apparently also a significant segment who want as strict traditions as the mainstream, they just want somewhat different traditions.
I’ll never understand why this is a divisive issue… let people live however they want, unless they bother others. How does it bother me if someone wants do get rid of their dick? Stop interfering in people’s lives.
Deliberately used as the “enemy” by the fascist state as scapegoat and distraction. Queer people were also targeted by Nazis.
unless they bother other
Well, that’s the thing. So many people are bothered when someone does something they wouldn’t personally do, often because they were told their whole life that there is only one proper way to exist.
“…unless they are harming someone else.” though, that is a pretty solid criteria.
They genuinely believe trans people are child molesting scum that are trying to convert their children into transgenders.
Indeed, a lot of the UK transphobic stuff that is happening right now is based off this conspiracy theory, trans women are no longer considered equal to cis women because of this
I don’t know where this is coming from because I grew up in the era of Marilyn Manson, the Murderdolls and Dir En Grey (etc.) Where gender was some fluid shit and everybody vibed with it.
Even though I don’t like them, I also remember Rammstein playing around with gender expression.
Overall, my personal experience with metal since teenhood in the 2000s is that metalheads are extremely chill and open minded and the bigots are some fringe groups here and there that nobody likes to talk to anyways.
Metal was about challenging the status quo and trigger the sensitive puritans who wanted everybody to conform one way of living and being. Most metaheads and metal artists were social rejects who didn’t fit in and weren’t accepted and they rebelled against the social structure at the time for that very reason. A couple of examples of the artistic expression in metal at the time:
Pretty sure Manson even brought on a trans icon in his video for The Dope Show which itself was a critique of the creative industry and how it uses and abuses people and forces them to be someone they aren’t.
Transphobic metal can fuck right off
Just gonna drop Cattle Decapitation here, tho (CW gore, and a lot of other fucked up shit):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvxVkF8lCAo
Making songs about torturing transphobes since 2013
I’ll second with OG deathgrind veterans Brutal Truth and 1990 “Anti-Homophobe” :
“Demonic Gender” sounds like a banger bandname.
Not only that, “Alabama State Legislators” sounds like a killer punk-folk act
I’m scared to ask but what in the fuck is punk-folk
Check out Days N’ Daze. That’ll get you started.
When a punk and a folk love each other very much, something something bees and flowers.
Like Violent Femmes. It’s punk played on acoustic instruments.
I wanna downvote because you called metal shitty growls and screams, but I’m no transphobe so you get a comment >:(
Metal people are the most chill people always, have you seen Serj outside of musical videos? He’s almost a hippie.
[OP] called metal shitty growls and screams,
To give the OP credit, even as a metal fan, they’re not exactly wrong. There are plenty of bands/genres that I try to listen to and come away thinking something to that effect.
I’m a metal fan, Serj is fantastic.
I’m still going to mock metal :)
No matter how much we like metal we gotta admit it’s pretty silly most of the time.
Idk if I could deal with being trans. Needles scare me too much
You can do pills and a bunch of other options as well.
A friend has an implanted estrogen pellet
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There are only two types, no in betweens, you’re either trans or transphobic, catch up bigots.
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Reason for deleting my comment: not interested in ‘discussing’ anything with people who go “men and women the same” when there’s literally stats and figures that prove otherwise and the growing ideological divide between men and women is a real concern. If I had to bring up those facts, one of these snowflakes would just report my comments for ‘hate’ or something. Because that’s how these people prefer to do it. Sticking their heads in the ground and going “not all men” out of their backsides, rather than ever acknowledging that there are any problems and working to solve them.
I dunno what to tell you but women can be nazis too.
Besides, every hobby has assholes in it. But because there are a few pieces of shit in metal, doesn’t mean all of metal is racist or sexist. That’s like saying people who like science fiction are nazis and misogynist because Wernher von Braun wrote Project Mars.
And last I checked, metal didn’t embrace nazis. There are fringe nazi sympathizers in metal, but metal as a whole is repulsed by nazisism. They just can’t control what some people do. Just like how punk can’t control of there are a few nazi punk bands out there no matter how much they try to reject them.
It genuinely pisses me off how such a small group of assholes can get so many people to act like metal as a whole is racist. It was no different back in the 2000s where my parents also wanted me to stop listening to it because my dad found one article about a guy who beat up his girlfriend and he apparently liked Metallica.
This is the blaming video games for school shooters argument all over again. And back then, metal was blamed for that too.
my parents also wanted me to stop listening to it because my dad found one article about a guy who beat up his girlfriend and he apparently liked Metallica
My dad once picked me up from a party when I was in high school in the 1980s; he noticed a video that was playing on MTV and was highly disturbed by the imagery in it, as he told me later (many times).
The video was “Cuts Like a Knife” by Bryan Adams. My dad thought he was losing me to Satan because of fucking Bryan Adams!
Art = scaring parents for centuries.
My dad was also convinced that my group of friends would get me into drugs which is fucking hilarious. I tried so many times to explain to him and my mom that my friends were all socially awkward nerds who unironically did Naruto runs when no one was looking. We were cringe as fuck and most of us were former bully victims who lived sheltered lives and and just really liked watching animated movies and shows. Many of us had never really had friends before either, so having interests to bond over was pretty cool.
But because we also dressed in black, some dying their hair in crazy colors and we listened to metal, we had to be criminals. I am in my mid 30s now, still listen to metal and I have yet to do drugs and violent crimes. Any day now, though!
I do recommend drugs, at least weed and the hallucinogens.
It isn’t for me, tbf, but I’m glad if you enjoy it 🤗
My German teacher traumatized me with Christiane F when I was 15. Not like I wanted to try anything before then, but that movie fucked me up lol. Same teacher had a mental breakdown when they found out one of my schoolmates had been secretly sniffing lighter gas in her room for months. I will never forget the heartbroken face of my teacher. I always think of her whenever drugs come up in any context. I just can’t do that to her.
there’s a hell of a lot less of a chance of them turning out to be nazis or sexual predators.
Nah, it’s pretty much the same. Maybe they’re less vocal about it because they’re already worried about being accepted in a male dominated field. But being as horrible as possible is pretty even across the sexes in other areas, so probably this one as well.
“23 subgenres of equally shitty growls and screams” sounds like a headline from far-right media, so…
Broken clocks and all that ;)
Hey don’t knock the metal itself. It actually requires people to know how to play instruments and sing. Unlike some rap I might mention.
I agree that people are often unfairly dismissive of Metal as a genre.
But people are also often unfairly dismissive of Rap and Hip Hop. A lot of the time that dismissal is rooted in racism.
Now, go listen to some MF Doom, and tell me rap doesn’t require talent
Tbf rap doesn’t require talent. Go listen to lil peep and tell me talent is required.
Now, is talent required for good rap? Yeah, and there’s no shortage of it if you know where to look. But goddamn lil uzi vert sucks ass. I know we can’t all be KRS One but do we have to be takeshi 69?
I mean, I suppose not, but neither do must forms of art. Amateurism, real or percieved, is even a hallmark of many genres, like punk for instance.
But that’s kind of missing the forest for the trees. For the poster to look at a genre that is historically dominated by white people (and one with a history of far-right politics at that), and contrast it as requiring more talent to produce than a predominantly black genre of music… Let’s just say that raises some alarm bells.
You want more trump? Keep posting this shit and you will get another trump.
The lack of awareness is staggering.
Surprise, the transphobe doesn’t like the anti-transphobic meme. Who would have guessed?
It really is better to be destroyed by Trump and fascism standing for what’s right, that being empathetic and logical, than to cowtow to his demands.
Better to die on your feet than live on your knees. I won’t be the equivalent of a German who provides silent, obedient consent as they dehumanize the gypsies/Jews/disabled.
It’s not rehabbing the Democrat party to yet again make them a little more similar to the Republicans, they’re already fascist light.
We need a major left wing party in the United States. We haven’t had one in living memory. If we don’t get that, highly likely, the ship will continue to sink until collapse. Then we can form a bunch of smaller nations of varying decency to be destroyed within a couple decades by climate change, forcing us back to a far more hostile nature than humanity has known.
It’s almost funny we are doing all of this to ourselves as a species to prevent what my species sees as the worst possible fate: humanism and global cooperation where no one is allowed to hoard enough resources to live as modern pharoahs while others starve and die of exposure.
We’d rather go extinct or to subsisting off hunting and gathering than forfeit our dreams of being the rich sociopaths inflicting ourselves on the masses. Earth has something for a species that toxic.
Explain your chain of logic
Logic: propoganda he ate up.
Drinking bleach to pwn the libs. If only…
This is pretty much what unites the right… the constant reminder of people they hate. It has to be eased off a ton.
nope. Because hatred isn’t reasonable. These people hated “goddamn faggots” back when we could be beaten, imprisoned, even killed with minimal investigation and pretty much impunity. And now they hate us because we can legally marry and they face repercussions if they try a good ol’ poof bash, but boy did they realise there’s a gray area with trans members of the community.
Hate is hate and it’s not our duty to make ourselves small and invisible in case we make dickheads fly off the fucking handle. That’s being complicit in our own abuse.
So your solution to fascism is to… concede to the hatreds of the fascists.
So the Democrats would be different… how then? Dems and Republicans are both bribed to burn society to fuel economic metastasis at all costs, the only thing that separates them at this point are affirmation ribbons you can’t eat, wear, or live in(D), and stoking hatred through scapegoating® on the social policy side.
If the Democrats get on board with the scapegoating, what are we even voting for anymore? The ONLY reason I vote for them is the harm reduction of not preaching hate as they allow mass homelessness, growing wealth inequity, and defend entire market sectors that have become murderous confidence schemes along with their Republican buddies across the aisle.
Your kind of pragmatism is why we have no real opposition party to the Republicans. Your kind of pragmatism has already brought us to hell.
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People who elect genocidal, theocratic fascists to power because they think trans people are icky should be driven to the fringes of society, not have their feelings coddled.
Well, the economy is headed for recession and the international system the US spent the last 80 years building is forever shattered and nobody will ever trust us again, but at least trans people can’t use their preferred bathrooms.
Was it a good trade?
I understand the message, but there are like 2 people that voted for trump on lemmy and both of them have been banned from most communities
People can make memes about how bad the other side is without having to think about how to effectively create propaganda
I see division unrelenting.
