From the comments on the article:
There was this brief shining moment when we had Google Now and Google Inbox and, at least for me, they were incredibly useful tools. Then they transformed into a content chum box and a stale email platform respectively and, while I think I know why, I’ll never understand WHY.
I feel this so hard. Inbox was so great and being forced back into old-school Gmail was so disappointing. RIP Inbox.
There was a brief moment between Jelly Bean and Kit Kat in which Google Now and Inbox made being tracked by Google kind of useful in everyday life
I remember how excited I was when I finally got an invite code. Now happily gmail-free for 2 years.
Google Maps and YouTube I can’t avoid but otherwise ungoogling successfully.
I’m mostly over on ProtonMail but I don’t know if I’ll ever be comfortable fully deleting my Gmail :/
btw you can use freetube or libretube for youtube, and use an openstreetmaps clientt to replace google maps
What I am really looking for is beyond our email, it’s proper integration between calendar, contacts, and map.
I want to be able to share calendars with my family, and link contacts from certain events (birthdays, meetings, and also just meet-ups). I want those contact’s addresses to be available as navigation destinations in the mapping app. I want to be able to bookmark (“star”) map locations.
The first two are kinda achievable with Nextcloud and davx. Not rock solid but for me it works well enough, the part about the map seems more tricky on first glance
If you finally achieve this please make a post about how you did it!
I wish osm+ was as good as maps. It’s so close and I’ll still use it for in town destinations.
20 years of surveillance by Gmail…
I remember when getting an invite was such a big deal.
11 years of ProtonMail let’s goo
It is way past time for the US government to offer their citizens email that is not owned by a private company and used as a tool to steal your private information.
This private-public partnership that controls all of our banking and communication is pure bullshit. It is basic services the government should provide. Instead we have private companies either charging us exorbitant fees or turning us into the commodity.
Meanwhile the government has complete control and can tell them to stop servicing us at any time and there is no redress. The government can literally tell your bank to stop doing business with you and you have no rights. Plus, being a private company, they can also stop servicing you because they happen to have a hair up their ass today.
There is no real choice anymore and the consumer always gets screwed. We really fell down the privatization well of retardation and it does not look like we are clawing our way back up anytime soon.
Have you seen government owned IT systems? No thanks.
Yeah I get the old adage about government run programs. While a cute stereotype I would like to remind you if it wass not for the US government the Internet as we know it would not even exist.
If the government can get your current email or bank account shut down, why do you think they couldn’t/wouldn’t do that on a government-provided one?
You would have actual rights and redress with a government agency plus when someone hacks the government’s data it would be a big deal and people would go to prison instead of a private company just shrugging their shoulders and saying oh well.
The government would not need to sell your data. The government would not be able to just change terms of service on a whim. The government would be mandated to provide the services without having to enshittify services later on to capitalize on profits.
The current system of the government calling the shots but not being held responsible should come to an end and these basic services should be provided as a right. To think that private companies can literally destroy your life by removing your ability to bank or communicate and not be held responsible is beyond ridiculous.
While I don’t disagree with you in principle, I do find it a bit funny that you’ve picked one of the easiest services to change between as your hill.
There’s no reason you _ have_ to use Gmail, or Hotmail. There are a billion email providers and if you have enough technical knowledge, you can even run your own (I really don’t recommend this though, it’s harder then it seems to do it safely and securely).
If you pick a provider outside the US, your government can’t do dick about getting it shut down, and if you pick one in a particularly privacy-conscious country, you can have everything encrypted to the point where the provider themselves can’t read your messages.
Also, I assume this is similar in the States, but I’ve seen government IT projects in the UK and some of them are truly awful. I wouldn’t necessarily trust them to look after important emails for me. Plus a single source of email would be an awfully tempting target for hacker groups around the world.
There is a reason we don’t just use any email. It takes time and energy to change providers and in the case of being locked out not even possible. I have no issue with private email, but I do have a problem with the government expecting to communicate with people and not providing that means of communication.
Until we recognize email and banking as a right we will continue to allow private companies and the government to fuck us over. Private companies are all spying on you do not believe their privacy bullshit for a second.
You may be better off doing business with a private company from a country who actually respects your privacy through codified laws, but that does not really solve the problem.
It’s like… I want to disagree with you, but you’re making me think.
Why are we ok with having required services that are only provided by third party companies?
They’re not specific - No government says you must have a Facebook or Twitter account. But you’re right - you have to have a bank account and you’ll not get far in 2024 without email.
What about a step further? If you want a phone number, you need a landline or mobile. Both of those are only provided by private companies too…
Private vs public is not a new debate by any means. I think the tax preparation business in the US a great example. Decades ago the US government was deciding whether to develop a government web based front end to file US taxes. Predictably the existing big players objected to this and offered a deal.
The gist of the deal was they would let most tax players file for free. Why waste government money and resources when the private sector can do it cheaper. Sounds good right?
Well in the end it did not work out that way. Websites used dark patterns to get tax preparers to pay when they should not. They had many data breaches and you can assure yourself they mined the fuck out of any data you share with them.
I like the idea of a standard government phone. Secured by our best technology and locked up tight from data miners.
Perhaps passing stringent privacy laws and regulating the hell out of these technology companies could be enough to turn the tide and certainly they would prefer this to the prospect of the government taking away their monopolies.
I am firmly on the side of the government providing these services though because of the reality we are facing.
All this and we didn’t even get to ISPs yet. It is a fucken doozy over here in a lot of aspects.
Gmail is still good for me at least. Does everything I want, doesn’t need new features and I don’t see ads or anything.
What more would I get from someone else? I’m not going to pay for privacy at end of day.
Same. Got no real reason to move away from it, and for all the shit people give it, you weren’t there when it came out. We were drowning in spam about nob pills.
But maybe you would pay for the service of someone else doing all the server stuffs and software development on your behalf? If you’re a paying customer, the company should also respect you and your privacy.
On the other hand, if you’re using the service for free, then the incentives suddenly shift towards you being the product.
No I wouldn’t pay for the services of someone else when I can get it for free.
I’d pirate it if I could though?
It’s a package deal in each case, so you’re not really getting the same thing.
- When you don’t pay, you get email services, but you sacrifice your privacy.
- When you pay, you get email services, and you get to keep your privacy.
Of course, people don’t see equal value in these things. You might not appreciate privacy as much as someone else, and that’s ok. You make your own compromises based on your personal values. We all make compromise at some point.
Is Gmail still the preferred email address to use on resumes?
was it ever? I participate in interview rounds at my company (several tech screens a month) and I must say a candidate’s email was not something that drew attention
From the article:
When you have enough storage that you never have to delete anything, you can keep an infinite record of your life. Packages, receipts, itineraries of past trips, messages from loved ones, photos, appointments, documents — you can just label them, archive them, and search for them later.
I don’t want Google to have that information for free, to analyze/monetize/sell to 3rd parties. That’s one of the reasons why I quit GMail. It was difficult too because I was registered to literally 100s of websites with that address.
Back in the days that was awesome. I had some kind of shitty Hotmail like German mail provider. 100MB storage, lots of ads. Google pushed into the right direction, almost unlimited storage, at first no ads. This was a huge step forward for email back then. Anyways I ditched Gmail and most of their services years ago, paying for mailbox.org for years, never looked back.
I was very excited to get an invite shortly after it’s opened and I still have all the emails that tell me my friend XYZ accepted my invitation to Gmail.
It was a time when getting a Gmail invitation wasn’t trivial.
Here’s a video recalling how exciting it was to have a Gmail.
Nowadays it’s different and possibly less good, but searching in Gmail is still very easy, which is awesome
I think I got mine via some kind of lottery system back in the day. I used to be a big fan of Google back in those times. Was amazing to have 1000mb.
The search has been broken for me for a while. I get better results in the iOS mail app. Searching from within gmail will just flat out not show old results.
When I look for things on Gmail on my laptop, I get detailed and complete results, when I do the same on the Gmail app, it seems like I get all results up to maybe two years ago (and it doesn’t show the rest). This second thing is really annoying, but at least on the computer version I always get everything
That’s almost the exact opposite experience for me. Maybe there’s been a more recent update, but I remember searching for specific phrases in decade old messages and the gmail (web site) search would just flat out refuse to show things but I could find them from my phone. I’ll try again, but to be honest, I’ve somewhat given up on google search in general for results that aren’t recent.
