LOL, yeah, this particular story plays very well into the narrative of anti-immigrant Eurosceptics and the “far right.”
It also draws into question the practice of peacefully resisting the repatriation of criminals…
I agree with the “far right” that deporting criminals is good.
Do you want to debate that, or is it beyond the pale?
I am not a racist - I hate saying that, because it is so cheesy. Half of my family are Muslims from Iran, and the other half are white & hispanic Christians and secular humanists. Maybe one of the reasons why I am so comfortable dissenting on this issue with other freedom minded & pacifistic people is because I am comfortable with people of other races, and have never thought that surely it is racist to deport criminals…! Surely I must be offending black & brown people by criticizing the deportation of a convict…!
I am going to type a lot - making an effort post for you. I appreciate that you care to have some dialog about it. thanks.
(1) Non-immigrants & immigrants should get the exact same tough jail sentences and the exact same attempts at rehabilitation while in jail.
(2) The immigrants who committed any serious crime, though, should be deported, because someone who has committed some sort of assault or theft is not good material for citizenship.
I understand and am comfortable with amnesty for people who acquired positions in our society and worked hard, staying clear of any criminal act for years & years, because these people have actually demonstrated t something important about themselves to us through their efforts…
But this all goes out the window when they engage in criminality beyond some sort of traffic violation or cigarette butt littering.
There are millions of people back in their country who would crawl over broken glass for this opportunity, and they have squandered it, as they will not make good citizens.
(3) I think a judge should hear the cases of people who have legitimate hardship claims - in those cases, let there be an amnesty…
But an able bodied man who has committed violent acts being sent back to a country that punishes criminals more severely and who faces the endemic poverty of his homeland is perhaps doubly not a future citizen for us…
He knows how shit his home country was, and still with this extra motivation made the choices that earned him a flight back to it.
He had extra motivation to not commit a serious crime, but still did.
That is not good material for a future citizen.
(4) I am sure there are cases where we have repeat offenders who deserve so much worse than what they got, and there will be some people who have real tragic stories with mitigating circumstances that perhaps deserved more leniency, but I just want a country where you don’t read these stories about new sexual assault victims of illegal immigrants who are repeat offenders.
You know exactly what you are doing. Maskerading it with fake innocence will not help you.
LOL, yeah, this particular story plays very well into the narrative of anti-immigrant Eurosceptics and the “far right.”
It also draws into question the practice of peacefully resisting the repatriation of criminals…
I agree with the “far right” that deporting criminals is good.
Do you want to debate that, or is it beyond the pale?
I am not a racist - I hate saying that, because it is so cheesy. Half of my family are Muslims from Iran, and the other half are white & hispanic Christians and secular humanists. Maybe one of the reasons why I am so comfortable dissenting on this issue with other freedom minded & pacifistic people is because I am comfortable with people of other races, and have never thought that surely it is racist to deport criminals…! Surely I must be offending black & brown people by criticizing the deportation of a convict…!
If non-immigrants get jail and immigrants get deportation (which in most cases are way worse and sometimes deadly) we are talking about injustice.
If you are willing to treat a certain group of people differently than others, this will make you look like a racist in my eyes.
Tell me again, why you want, what you want.
I am going to type a lot - making an effort post for you. I appreciate that you care to have some dialog about it. thanks.
(1) Non-immigrants & immigrants should get the exact same tough jail sentences and the exact same attempts at rehabilitation while in jail.
(2) The immigrants who committed any serious crime, though, should be deported, because someone who has committed some sort of assault or theft is not good material for citizenship.
I understand and am comfortable with amnesty for people who acquired positions in our society and worked hard, staying clear of any criminal act for years & years, because these people have actually demonstrated t something important about themselves to us through their efforts…
But this all goes out the window when they engage in criminality beyond some sort of traffic violation or cigarette butt littering.
There are millions of people back in their country who would crawl over broken glass for this opportunity, and they have squandered it, as they will not make good citizens.
(3) I think a judge should hear the cases of people who have legitimate hardship claims - in those cases, let there be an amnesty…
But an able bodied man who has committed violent acts being sent back to a country that punishes criminals more severely and who faces the endemic poverty of his homeland is perhaps doubly not a future citizen for us…
He knows how shit his home country was, and still with this extra motivation made the choices that earned him a flight back to it.
He had extra motivation to not commit a serious crime, but still did.
That is not good material for a future citizen.
(4) I am sure there are cases where we have repeat offenders who deserve so much worse than what they got, and there will be some people who have real tragic stories with mitigating circumstances that perhaps deserved more leniency, but I just want a country where you don’t read these stories about new sexual assault victims of illegal immigrants who are repeat offenders.